IDEAS FOR RYZOM

Daomei, the conscept of the nation state, which we can trace back to the Enlightment has no bearing on Atys.  None of the four nations fit this description.  The concept of social security has no analogy with faction points.  Faction points are a reward, which has nothing to do with the idea social democratic social security.   Your Hobbesian notion of non settled peoples reflects the duality of savagery and civility that is at the heart of mara/civs conflict.  Even Tacitus gave the Germanic peoples a better press than you do the mara.  From the point of Daomei the toon all you say is correct, but not from Lacuna's.  Lacuna sees a nation.   We are not all apostates.  The civs left the mara behind.  Lacuna renounced her citizenship, and joined the mara.  She is part of that nation now.  The mara in the new lands are in contact with and recieve orders from the Old Lands, so to say we are not part of their expiditionry force is simply wrong.  Yes we are not nice from the players point of view, but just becuase we are not nice does no mean we are not a nation state.  Our social and political structure appears to be the negation of the civs.  Yes, we would destroy you.  But we are a nation, we are a coherent ordered political entity in our own right.  It is not nice and it is unpleasant to us as players, but this is rp.  How is the holy wars of of the kami/kara any different?  We fall short of being a nation in your definition becuase you hold to a idea of a modern nation state that really does not apply Atys at all.

Lacuna hates males. She is a toon. I don't want one in my life but I have no problem with them as long as they wash regularly and don't try to make me watch football :P

Brah! Lets go get drinks at the bar! ;)

If it is a Sports Bar, I may decide lacuna is right :P

Can we please make a new thread for Ranger Tears and let this one stay as it was intended? For maraduers? Yes I agree Ranger needs to be fixed too but that should have nothing to do with the discussion of Marauders being fixed. We can see we have views that differ but in the end we all want everything fixed. This is the Marauders Tears thread, only evil tears allowed here friends!

I was just having fun...When we discuss or are opposed often people lable it as tears. I wanted to say it first though :) I do agree that Ranger should have direct access to many other spaces. Things were just done half assed to please us. I did say though that I agree Rangers should own Almati.
I was just adding to the fun because even someone as evil as me enjoys a good laugh too :P

Exit mission for a marauder would be ok, yes if difficult. I myself wouldn't have a problem just doing fame missions the current way to fix myself if I did ever want to go back but my intentions are to stay Marauder.
I would have stuck with Ranger if the implementation would have been better. The missions finding the pathways was great.
I know longer hold any values or ideals from Karavan or Kami so I could never go back to either of them. I have worked fame to max and back down and back up many times, it gave me something to do. I think most left because they got tired of the waiting and not the wanting to go back part being too hard. I can't speak for everyone of course but this is the feeling that I personally saw. It would be great to hear from those players on their thoughts if they still browse these forums.

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