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OK -- I have a serious question because I don't understand.

WHY do the Marauders need an OOC method of getting to Almati Wood?

The only reason (other than Ranger Meetings) to go to Almati Wood is to go to the Kitin Lair.  The only reason (other than some RP stuff) to go to the Kitin Lair is to get materials for use for four of the eight occupations.

There is already a complaint that the Marauders cannot do the occupations and should have their own.  That would/should involve RP and Lore expansion (Since the occupations do have RP Lore stories behind them.)

So, why is access to Almati Wood something so much like an emergency that an OOC/HRP solution is needed?

I don't doubt that an OOC tp to Almati is easy, since it was apparently easily removed from the NH transporters.  I don't doubt that there are Marauder players who would like to go to Almati Wood (for whatever reason), but why is it suddenly now an emergency.

Can someone please explain?

How about Kizokoo? Why should we be denied proper access to a boss? That is a good enough reason for me.. Other than that we can do occupations we just can't use NH (iirc). I will also point out that debating if we should be allowed or not is a mute point as the devs have already decided that we should be allowed access- they just have yet to actually give us access.

Hopefully having established our need to go to almati- the reason why I want an OOC teleport is because I personally have waited over a year for an IC teleport (some waited longer). It will take such a small amount of time to make an OOC teleport and stop a marauder having to ask nations/religions that they have -50 (or below) fame with to help them out- that notion alone is ridiculous.


As for an emergency Bitty. I can only speak from personal experience. It is extremely wearing everyday having to run to a kami temple to get teleported especially considering we don't have teleports in q50 zones. Imagine as a Kami being forced to participate in Kara activites.. or a matis having to ask the fyros for help.. every single day.. this takes a toll. It is forcing upon me an incorrect style of gameplay.

So in my opinion it is such a simple, quick, easy fix for a problem that should not be tolerated. It really grinds my gears (<-- nb. me being polite and civilised) that someone won't just stick their hand up and say "you know what- it is an issue- lets fix that in 10minutes- bam- done". I know the right people to do that are reading this..

It is not something that will take ages to fix! it just can be done so quickly you'd actually save time as you will spend longer reading my future posts about this issue than you would take to fix the issue!!

Virg --

Thank you for being polite and civilized.  I did note that. (*grin*)

Very good call on Kizokoo, though I think he also appears in other PR areas.  Thank you also for the correction on the occupations.

However, I still fail to see the emergency.  It may be wearing, but you chose a wearing Faction.  So did I.  (Only my investment in the torbak leather industry has supported my running habit to get to Bosses in PR.)  I personally would regard an OOC teleport as being at least as RP wearing as stealing a ride from an enemy faction, but as it is said, "your mileage may vary" and yours obviously does compared to mine. 

Personally, I would rather see an RP fix, and have it be fixed only once. (I'd also like to see it installed quickly rather than trying to make an event out of it. I think there is too much emphasis on making every little thing a major event.  Gaueko?  Are you listening?)

-- Bittty.

P.S. (and somewhat beside the point)
As for it being easy, it would be easy as well to establish an object that could be sensitized to your current location and then be activated to drag you back to it.  (This spell was called Lloyd's Beacon in the old Might and Magic RPG's.) That doesn't mean it would be a good idea even though I would like it very much.

He doesn't. Kizokoo only spawns in Almati Woods- there is a kizokin but I won't get into the advantages over kizokoo.

The emergency I guess comes from the fact if I have to run all the way to a kami temple again to check on Kizokoo I am going to throw my laptop out the window.

All jokes aside for you to understand where I am coming from the context is very important. I was told 1 year ago we would get an almati woods teleport- the ETA I was told was within a few weeks. Now yes I know there are plenty of things that need to be done in Ryzom- but this is something that can be temporarely fixed within 10minutes- so why can't it be??

Take for example this topic. Shall we argue over the emergency of getting a strikethrough option on the forums??

If we examine that- why was it added? The answer is two-fold:
A) It was quick and easy to do
B) It provided some benefit so a small handful of players.

I would argue this would benefit more players.

I am wearing a bit thin now talking over this all so sorry if I seem to be rambling. It is just incredibly frustrating when something that requires so little time could save so much time and provide a temporary saving of marauder-RP-sanity.

Just for the sake of all that is holy can this just be done? IT TAKES 10 MINUTES.

+1

Didn't see it receive emergency status, but as Virg has stated, maras go to KL for many things- Kizokoo, sup kitin larva and occs (products are useful) :)

+1 love it Virg

+1 (Marauder Occs are ihgher on my list though)

Not just Kizokoo but some Encyclopedia rites end with missions in Kitins Lair.  Why deprive Maruaders access, just because nobody likes them? (er . . .)

Daomei as usual you take the counter-stance. I could picture you arguing tooth and nail why it is fundamentally important for the in game experience to uphold the lore and how wrong it is for a marauder to have to go to a Kami temple.

When you always decide to oppose arguements rather than forming your own honest opinion you actually cross-contradict yourself with all your posts.

To me, you have lost all credibility.

Also Daomei- I would remind you to act polite and civilised.. saying we are children and have little toys.. well extremely condescending. Just because you are an adult and still need toys.. well.. lets not go there shall we.

Hm, if you cannot stand a bit of sarcasm, I apologize, it was not meant to offend, but to remind what marauders are or should be: battle-hardened warriors who do not give a lot about ethics of the rest of hominity which they consider weak and misled.

So I really do not see the point in acting pragmatically: cheating the priest to achieve an advantage for the clans. Of course, an access of their own would be favorable, but I fail to see that a bit of decoy destroys marauder roleplay, at least not to the extent that an OOC emergency solution seems necessary.

Waiting now nearly four years for my faction, and being forced to act against the principles of my homeland (and to some extent against those of the Rangers as well) to get to Almati, I cannot but mock about such an attitude. As said, I would welcome the RP compliant introduction of a marauder TP access to Almati. And though I do not press for a Ranger pathway to Almati, I think we are the first who have a right to such an access. You have not to ask a cultist to reach your camp.

Okay so looking at it from your RP stance: There is no decoy about it. When someone has -100 fame they are known by everyone who represents that fame to be a marauder, at -45 then yes- you can get away with it. At -100 we are notorius for a reason and tricking a member of the Kami temple just doesn't happen.

If what you say is true then we should be allowed to buy Kami and Kara teleporter pacts through the same trickery. We should be able to trade with everyone in cities through the same trickery.. Daomei what you say just doesn't add up and is extremely superficial.

Also it is a big difference between you and I that you have chosen to ignore- the religious temples actually like rangers- after all you can have 50 fame with them. With us we have -45 and most marauders have -100. It is a completely different situation so your comparison is quite useless.

Argueing with the own fame misses the point because the fame determines the acts of the NPC, not yours. Assume a marauder merchant I could reach unattacked who would trade with me for any reason. Why should I refuse as long as the business is favorable? I would just consider it her or his business to decide with whom to trade.

It would be the job of the teleporter priest to refuse to service those they hold in bad reputation. Would they do that, an emergency would indeed exist for the marauders, but they do not. So obviously a marauder is able to deceive them, or they turn a blind eye on reputation of their clients (which they do).

So it may be somewhat uncomfortable, but a marauder can still have a good laugh about the silly priest who really seems to believe that a marauder would go to Almati to fight for Ma Duk or Jena. As told, for me, bound to the pillar of truth, it is not so funny.