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hein? j'ai le pouvoir de faire partir du jeu quelqu'un parce que je propose de mettre un accès aux marauds par la kitiniere? sérieux?

almati woods and the KL might be ranger domain, but rangers do not hate ANYONE on atys, even marauders, rangers protect all homin from the kitin attackers. marauders likewise don't like kitin because of their extended stays in the roots while everyone else fled.

thus the only thing the marauder and rangers have in common is dislike of kitin.

almati and the KL should not be restricted from ANYONE in game, we need to be fair about this, and while the rangers maintain the lair and almati, there's no reason to reject the marauders.

please let's be realistic about this, telling someone they can't enjoy some of the game content because of their alignment/civ/religion/organization is very childish and we're adults, let's try to act like adults.

everyone has the rite to have access to the KL and Almati.
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A little mention here.

Rangers on Atys are more or less like the Night's Watch in Game of Thrones. The factions are like the noble families in Westeros (and Marauders are included in factions there). The Marauders and the Rangers agree that Kitins are a common enemy of them. The Marauders have their own way of porting on Atys without the help of Karavan and Kamis. The Kamis and the Karavan, in my opinion, should kill them on sight when they see them get close to a temple, not offer them to teleport to Almati. Therefore, if the Marauders are to participate into rangers activities, they should be able to. But they should have a different access to the area. RP wise, it's sensible and logical. If there needs to be an event for it to happen because the lore doesn't say it has happened before, then so be it.

To say that Marauders shouldn't have an access of their own because they should be able to sneak up and do it otherwise and bla bla bla... forget it. The marauder faction should have access to more or less the same tools than the other factions to make their game interesting.

The core of my thoughts on the subject have been expressed already, however I will confess that I am very surprised by the objections I see written here. Most people get the main points -which are that Marauders may have fames opposed to Rangers, but that they aren't actually natural enemies, and that marauders should have access to the same tools as other players without needing to actually go OCC to access those tools.

Hello,

It seems necessary to remind the community of the basic rules about using Ryzom channels. Everyone must act as a polite and civilized individuals, and be respectful with WinchGate staff. Foul language and xenophobic talk are also prohibited. 

The forum is a place to exchange thoughts and of debate, in a good atmosphere for discussions. Animosity and agressive behavior against Ryzom staff is not something that is tolerated. Marauder players have the chance to have a volunteer who is dedicated and responsible for Marauders, and who spends all of his free time to work for them. He has explained during an OOC meeting, what he and some Ryzom teams are working on together for Marauders, and nearly everything that has been requested on the forums by players, is exactly what he stated was in progress with the team at in his OOC meeting. Such disrespectful comments from a part of the community are just unfair and demotivating for all the staff and are unacceptable.

I have also moderated several xenophobic posts. Such a behaviour is also unacceptable in a Ryzom channel.

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Phew.. Take a break for 4 days and my post blows up x)

Firstly can we please (as some said) keep on topic. This post is literally only aimed at getting a marauder out of context teleport- and getting it within the next week! Not waiting another year for a promised in context teleport.

Secondly tixi- my post did not deserve editing whatsoever and I believe editing my words simply because they point out the higher powers' poor organisation and slow progress is an abuse of your powers. The truth hurts but that is something that isn't my fault- it is the fault of the higher powers for killing my marauder IG RP experience by forcing me to go to kami temples for teleports.
Perhaps I should change my last name to snowden because you are treating me like a whistleblower and trying to hush my words..

You can argue whatever you want over whether marauders should or shouldn't have an Almati teleport but here are the facts:

1. We were told 1 year ago we would have one.
2. OOC: Kitin lair is a crucial game area and we should have a tp there
3. IC: a marauder asking a kami fuzzball (when we have -100 kami fame) to be teleported is simply unacceptable
4. It took me less than 5 minutes to make an ARK script for an OOC teleport. It would not take long at all to edit and implement this into the game.

A year long wait for something that can be temporarily fixed in 5 minutes is just wrong, not matter how you spin it. Hopefully these words won't get edited as well for speaking ill of the higher powers..

Virgy

I will literally just add this.. because it needs serious stressing..

This fix will take less than 10 minutes to do and gives so many benefits. Devs just please think about it. 10 minutes and this issue is done- and its been a longstanding issue. Check virgem's ark script- you can find a template there which you can edit easy enough.

Thanks.

Sorry for the multiple posts- would also like to state that this post was not in adress to guaeko (the marauder representative). I know of all the hard work he is putting in behind the scenes especially regarding marauder lore.

This is looking to those in other teams as this is an OOC idea for validation.

Maybe you want to edit this bit? :P

Im trying to lure people into reading all my words- wont happen if they think there is a lot more to come ;)

OK -- I have a serious question because I don't understand.

WHY do the Marauders need an OOC method of getting to Almati Wood?

The only reason (other than Ranger Meetings) to go to Almati Wood is to go to the Kitin Lair.  The only reason (other than some RP stuff) to go to the Kitin Lair is to get materials for use for four of the eight occupations.

There is already a complaint that the Marauders cannot do the occupations and should have their own.  That would/should involve RP and Lore expansion (Since the occupations do have RP Lore stories behind them.)

So, why is access to Almati Wood something so much like an emergency that an OOC/HRP solution is needed?

I don't doubt that an OOC tp to Almati is easy, since it was apparently easily removed from the NH transporters.  I don't doubt that there are Marauder players who would like to go to Almati Wood (for whatever reason), but why is it suddenly now an emergency.

Can someone please explain?

How about Kizokoo? Why should we be denied proper access to a boss? That is a good enough reason for me.. Other than that we can do occupations we just can't use NH (iirc). I will also point out that debating if we should be allowed or not is a mute point as the devs have already decided that we should be allowed access- they just have yet to actually give us access.

Hopefully having established our need to go to almati- the reason why I want an OOC teleport is because I personally have waited over a year for an IC teleport (some waited longer). It will take such a small amount of time to make an OOC teleport and stop a marauder having to ask nations/religions that they have -50 (or below) fame with to help them out- that notion alone is ridiculous.


As for an emergency Bitty. I can only speak from personal experience. It is extremely wearing everyday having to run to a kami temple to get teleported especially considering we don't have teleports in q50 zones. Imagine as a Kami being forced to participate in Kara activites.. or a matis having to ask the fyros for help.. every single day.. this takes a toll. It is forcing upon me an incorrect style of gameplay.

So in my opinion it is such a simple, quick, easy fix for a problem that should not be tolerated. It really grinds my gears (<-- nb. me being polite and civilised) that someone won't just stick their hand up and say "you know what- it is an issue- lets fix that in 10minutes- bam- done". I know the right people to do that are reading this..

It is not something that will take ages to fix! it just can be done so quickly you'd actually save time as you will spend longer reading my future posts about this issue than you would take to fix the issue!!

Virg --

Thank you for being polite and civilized.  I did note that. (*grin*)

Very good call on Kizokoo, though I think he also appears in other PR areas.  Thank you also for the correction on the occupations.

However, I still fail to see the emergency.  It may be wearing, but you chose a wearing Faction.  So did I.  (Only my investment in the torbak leather industry has supported my running habit to get to Bosses in PR.)  I personally would regard an OOC teleport as being at least as RP wearing as stealing a ride from an enemy faction, but as it is said, "your mileage may vary" and yours obviously does compared to mine. 

Personally, I would rather see an RP fix, and have it be fixed only once. (I'd also like to see it installed quickly rather than trying to make an event out of it. I think there is too much emphasis on making every little thing a major event.  Gaueko?  Are you listening?)

-- Bittty.

P.S. (and somewhat beside the point)
As for it being easy, it would be easy as well to establish an object that could be sensitized to your current location and then be activated to drag you back to it.  (This spell was called Lloyd's Beacon in the old Might and Magic RPG's.) That doesn't mean it would be a good idea even though I would like it very much.

He doesn't. Kizokoo only spawns in Almati Woods- there is a kizokin but I won't get into the advantages over kizokoo.

The emergency I guess comes from the fact if I have to run all the way to a kami temple again to check on Kizokoo I am going to throw my laptop out the window.

All jokes aside for you to understand where I am coming from the context is very important. I was told 1 year ago we would get an almati woods teleport- the ETA I was told was within a few weeks. Now yes I know there are plenty of things that need to be done in Ryzom- but this is something that can be temporarely fixed within 10minutes- so why can't it be??

Take for example this topic. Shall we argue over the emergency of getting a strikethrough option on the forums??

If we examine that- why was it added? The answer is two-fold:
A) It was quick and easy to do
B) It provided some benefit so a small handful of players.

I would argue this would benefit more players.

I am wearing a bit thin now talking over this all so sorry if I seem to be rambling. It is just incredibly frustrating when something that requires so little time could save so much time and provide a temporary saving of marauder-RP-sanity.

Just for the sake of all that is holy can this just be done? IT TAKES 10 MINUTES.