IDEAS FOR RYZOM

Imo it is about the mara faction as a whole - [Edited. You must act as a polite and civilized individual, and be respectful with WinchGate staff. Foul language, insulting, defamatory, obscene, xenophobic or anti-semitic talk is prohibited.] - the argument going that all the pvp lot went mara instead of pvping in civilisations and religions.
As Virg says, he made the thing ages back - cannot get it into game and my money is on "it will never get into game". There is an honesty about deleting mara altogether - genocide disease could do it - like Bones says, instead of having this victimisation

Well this is an rp game, so all factions are rp.  Anyway, unlike Trytonist, Mara is an implemeted faction.  You posited the idea of finding a Zinuakeen there, not me.  Marauder were left behind in the old lands. Almati is in the old lands.  If Mara found their own way to new lands and built their Zinuakeen there; the idea that mara found Almati as a seperate, and possibly earlier, discovery from other homins is not unreasonable.  No one is asking for a Zinuakeen in almati wood; that would be unfair.  What Virg, and the rest of us, are asking for, is a rp way of getting there to be validated into the Lore.  But until then give us an OOC way that does not involve going to Temples!

an rp event to "create" a mara tp in almati (easy)

using the system as it is currently (temples to reach almati)
the marauders that want to take part in the event would dig / loot any grade (basic, fine, choice, excl, sup) of a list of given mats (wood, amber, fiber, resin, ligaments, tails, skins, leathers) they would then take their full bag of said mats to almati, find the "hidden" marauder NPC to turn them into. this npc would pay 25 dappers PER MAT (flat rate regardless of Q or grade) to anyone with marauder fame that supplies them with the needed mats. When / if someone that doesn't have marauder fame wanted to help, they would get a reduced dapper payout of 15 dappers per mat (anyone with a single fame that's above -43)
no limit on how many a player can turn in

requirements for this event to complete would be huge (250,000 of each mat) this would give the dev's time to work on this issue while showing everyone they're working on it. anyone that says "mara shouldn't pay the non-mara" here's my answer: when you can get extra help for a reduced rate, they call that "outsourcing" and that just helps your case in 2 ways, it's RP but still will "use" the help of the other civs / religions and cost's the "marauders" less to pay for the work. (mara would pay anyone with fame higher then -43 less because the mara think they are less worthy)

just my two dappers about creating an RP event to "create" a mara tp in almati.

i understand ryzom is an mmorpg, and that the "rpg" part is importaint, but lest face it, if new content is always being held up by "lore verification" we're never going to get anything new. new content can be created and added to the game WITHOUT lore verification, it won't brake ryzom to do it, and the "lore" can be player wrote stories about the "new content" (if ryzom is a game where the players RP can shape and change the game {living up to the promises of the official site about RP}) then there should be NOTHING stopping new content. [Edited. You must act as a polite and civilized individual, and be respectful with WinchGate staff.]

since the merger and the 3 histories, lore is much looser because we can create something and write the "lore" for that, we can tag it with "river of time" to explain that perhaps no homin on "that version" of atys is on "this version" of atys to properly explain it. as far as the lore goes, i get a little upset that everything must revolve around it, i'd like to see a poll on how many people really read the lore at all. (i've still not read any, nor the ryzom bible {and i have a copy} yet i wrote the upper branches stories, and some rp players asked me if i read the bible or some of the lore before writing it. i did not)

lore is fine, but don't use it as a reason to not do something, lore can be wrote about something after, and it will give a better perspective, just because something's happening now, doesn't mean that a reason can't be "found" based on something from the past, the upper branches isn't likely to be made because it's a huge project, but the story can be part of a "4th atys" that was merged in the "river of time". once the door to time travel, parallel universes, and the like, a paradox is destine to happen, and the "river of time" reason given for the 3 different histories that is "official lore" has opened Pandora's Box on using "lore" as any reason not to add things quickly, because it can all be explained via the merger of different parallel universes coming together. we are a sci-fi (science fiction) game, let's use that fact for the better of the game.

i've said my 2 dappers worth, bottom line, the NH ooc tp was removed, mara can use 3 of the 4 temples to go there, and RP was the given reason, which i'm sorry to say, does not provide an "rp" solution (the kami and karavan should hate the mara, after all being mara requires -43 religious fame)

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almati woods and the KL might be ranger domain, but rangers do not hate ANYONE on atys, even marauders, rangers protect all homin from the kitin attackers. marauders likewise don't like kitin because of their extended stays in the roots while everyone else fled.

thus the only thing the marauder and rangers have in common is dislike of kitin.

almati and the KL should not be restricted from ANYONE in game, we need to be fair about this, and while the rangers maintain the lair and almati, there's no reason to reject the marauders.

please let's be realistic about this, telling someone they can't enjoy some of the game content because of their alignment/civ/religion/organization is very childish and we're adults, let's try to act like adults.

everyone has the rite to have access to the KL and Almati.
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A little mention here.

Rangers on Atys are more or less like the Night's Watch in Game of Thrones. The factions are like the noble families in Westeros (and Marauders are included in factions there). The Marauders and the Rangers agree that Kitins are a common enemy of them. The Marauders have their own way of porting on Atys without the help of Karavan and Kamis. The Kamis and the Karavan, in my opinion, should kill them on sight when they see them get close to a temple, not offer them to teleport to Almati. Therefore, if the Marauders are to participate into rangers activities, they should be able to. But they should have a different access to the area. RP wise, it's sensible and logical. If there needs to be an event for it to happen because the lore doesn't say it has happened before, then so be it.

To say that Marauders shouldn't have an access of their own because they should be able to sneak up and do it otherwise and bla bla bla... forget it. The marauder faction should have access to more or less the same tools than the other factions to make their game interesting.

The core of my thoughts on the subject have been expressed already, however I will confess that I am very surprised by the objections I see written here. Most people get the main points -which are that Marauders may have fames opposed to Rangers, but that they aren't actually natural enemies, and that marauders should have access to the same tools as other players without needing to actually go OCC to access those tools.