IDEAS FOR RYZOM

Strange, Mjollren. Did you ever read that "Chasing the Ding" signature? Did you understand it, and did you ever share the feeling, the satisfaction to improve, much more when you experienced the results, were rewarded by new stanzas to try?

All that was no fun, did not motivate? I doubt. Moreover, as Bittty told, "you guys" (it is appropriate here) constantly confuse "it is no fun" with "it is no fun for me".

I was never bored during leveling. When doing my first melee master (dagger) I got used to train naked, because at that time, I depended on other players to craft my armor, and it was valuable for me, even emotionally, as nice higher players had bothered to craft it for me, mostly beatiful stuff according to my wishes. Additionally, it was fun and thrill to take on cuttlers in FF naked, armed only with two tekorn daggers. This works better than you think, of course it needs a very attentive healer.

I had other methods to make level grind interesting. My ele training, as far as it was solo, was, once I was higher in level, performed in regions like SC and GoC, where cuttlers, tyranchas, jugula etc. are attacking herbies, which had to serve as my tanks. This was not without dangers or failures, but never boring. And, to be honest, I can, at least at times, even enjoy repetetive stuff, it is somehow reassuring and relaxing and may free your mind. Same goes, even more, with digging which can indeed be very addictive.

Yes I know, you'll find that ridiculous. I for my part could equally rant about PvP, that it is boring, always the same, leading to nothing than waste of good equipment, and is most times not a victory of the better fighter than of the faster box, the stronger weapon or better armor, or even the larger number, and often leads to dissent and resentment, sometimes even hate. All that is true and untrue at the same time: it is true for me, as I don't like PvP and have no fun with. I is of course not true for people who practise and like it and I am far from miswanting or deriding their fun.


I doubt your "statistics". Of course one can practise level training in a boring way and get bored - how astonishing. I have leveled up everything without boredom, and am still helping off team at times.

There are a lot of things which require improvement in Ryzom, the skill ladder clearly is not among them.

Edit: just read and +1 Placio

It looks like Daomei only wanted to oppose with an argument that would seem 'realistic' or 'logic' but in fact it's completely wrong.


I didn't want to respond at first... But, I couldn't let such thing to be seen without clarification. Okies, I approved the idea 'No fun in leveling' because I do have enough experience in leveling and I spent most of my gaming-experience (which lasts long) doing that. But, in the other hand, how much does Daomei spend in PvPing... Did she ever try it? Well... Nevermind... I guess, I/we know... :)



Boring: How could it be? Explain... Wow!
The same: *Shocked again* PvP is dynamic and always change... You don't know what PvP jewels your enemie is wearing, the way your enemie would react or which 'Auras' would he use...
Leading to nothing: Actually it leads you to everything *smiles*. PvP is very competitive and teach you alot of things... It's much more than killing a Programmed-Mob that always acts/behaves the same way.
Waste of good equipment: Well, wahh! What? If you don't use your best equipements in PvP then, where would you use them? On a Great Cuttler? You don't need any good equipements when it comes to PvE.
After that, I didn't really get much your next arguments... They didn't make sens to me, you used a lot of words just to fit the place... 'dissent', 'resentment', 'hate'... Either you have changed the topic or I am not really getting it, because PvP is very far away from that.


If you have mastered all your skills, got all NPC armors yet you still dying easly against a Homin, and you couldn't protect yourself in PvP regions... That doesn't make much sens even in RP...


If you can not PvP then don't judge it.
If you do not like PvP then try it.


(*Nods* Not really its place but it could fit, I couldn't resist:)

To make two things clear:
1. My point was not to slander PvP much less the players enjoying it. As Rook understood correctly, I reverted the assertion that digging were boring.

To elaborate that further, any statement like "Digging [leveling, PvP, whatever] is boring" is, by its nature, a universal proposition, a statement claiming universal validity. Such a statement, according to the laws of propositional logic, can be disproven by a single contradicting instance. If the statement "Daomei considers digging not boring" is true, the proposition "Digging is boring" is falsified and disproven.

2. The rather emotional contradiction especially by Yenno how I perceive PvP is funny. Indeed I practised PvP, in other games, and even in Ryzom, all flavors (Duel, Arena, nvn team fight) except ganking, to the extent to reach a conclusion about how I feel about. PvP is not an arcane science, btw., it can be studied, observed etc. even without practising it. My attitude stems from the fact that I favor cooperation over competition, like win-win situations, and despise the winner takes it all even (and particularly) in case I am the winner.

And it seems ridiculous to me to assume that somebody who has all combat skills at hand at master level, does not know about how to fight, to prepare stanzas, and to react fast under changing conditions. I am seldom sitting at the stables and chatting, and not only homins require versatile reactions. Of course I could fare above average in PvP once I would decide to practise it. If I would not achieve outstanding excellence then because that requires enthusiasm and dedication I lack, and constant training I am not willing to undergo. Denying that I am able to validly judge that PvP is boring to me is as arrogant as ignorant. It is similar as if I would deny someone's ability to appraise his boredom during digging only because he has not mastered all 5 ecos.