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Madre, what is it that you want?

Do you like the game and want to have fun? Or do you have expectations that were not met and now just want to complain? I'm asking because threads like this one appear every now and then, and it is usually old players who come back with strange expectations. Yes, there is no seventh continent, there are still only four playable races and graphics are mostly unchanged.

What you fail to see is that we now have Marauders, a bit of Rangers, a NH transport system for folks to get faster into their little hometown, loads of events including a second great swarming and a great Ryzom birthday celebration party.

Now we have a ryzomforge team and processes.

If there's any other game that provides so much playable content, and is in any way comparably open to the community to co-develop, then i would really like to know.

Those who play still have fun. I hope you have fun, too.

And don't get me wrong: everybody has a right to post ideas and to criticise, but let's be constructive in those discussions.

That's a very fair question Irfidel. This "exchange" is not being pleasant to me either.

When an mmo reaches it's end of life is dependant on many factors. Of course you can have servers running for years and a group of committed subscriptors, but it doesn't mean the game is *alive*. I am trying to clarify that out for Ryzom so I can decide if it's worth my time, effort and money (both as player and as for-fun developer). And not just mine.

Denying or just ignoring facts in order to believe that "everything is fine" is very human. Same goes to feeling attacked when they are put into words. But there is no need.

-We enjoy Ryzom as it is (was), and everyone is welcome to enjoy it too for as long as they accept it the same way we do.

That is ok. Really. But thinking it is alive when it's not... ends up with threads like this one. Please understand the "life" concept at it's full meaning.

I never intended to transform Ryzom into another game, just expected to see bugs fixed, game dynamics completed, then balanced, then improved... and so on for the neverending life cycle so it could have a healthy flux of players. But it didn't happen in all these years and Forge record doesn't look very oriented to it. Not even the bugs.

Isn't it fair to ask too? Sorry if I didn't do it in the best political way. Not my strongest point :p

Sometimes I do get the feeling that Ryzom enjoys a captive audience that suffers from Stockholm Syndrome - hence the reactions like in this thread.

I'd say the development is steady although kinda slow. I believe Ryzom will however be around for years to come. So if you like how it's now, I suggest you play. If you are looking for some improvements then it might be a better to find another game cause it's not gonna happen (any time soon).

Play because you enjoy the game, period.

Its worth the time and money. This is the only option you got for this type of mmo.

Even account management in main site is clearly malfunctioning and potentially risky.

Not a rant. Just sad that no one cares.

Yeah I can't argue with that, it got mydebit card banned,so I had to get a new one, and pay pal doesn't work. It just takes u to a test site and says can't accept payment. If you are worried though, buy a cc at Walmart.

So yeah if you want a game like this, as I said ryzom is your only choice. So here is the bad.

Some bugs as you said, not as many as some games. The GMs are werid, and can't speak English, and threaten you if you call them out on it. They randomly come into chat, and say werid things. But this is the only mmo like it.

Hehe,

Well I think the ryzom forge is verry commited to 'City Flags' > don't ask what they are but been the talk of the town for over a year. I hope those flags really really turn ryzom into something blooming.

About their ffing account page yup broken as heck. I tried paypal last month (when my sub ran out and i canceled the visa) hours later my account still wasn't active while the payment went trough on paypal. So I readded my visa and signed back up normal way. Now over 3weeks later and 2-3 mails to ryzom support I've not even had one mail back from them not even if they would look into my prob or anything.
In end I wouldn't have minded paying double one month but now it's just sad beyond belief they don't even mail back or answer anything.

About bugs being fixed in ryzom well had oldie come back last month for some reason his char was bugged and he couldn't buy an appartement, so he contacted support. They looked into it said yup you seem to be bugged we will look into it. Over a month now and he still hasn't been fixed or given an appartement (think he unsubbed by now because of this whole thing and no help from support)

But is ryzom in good heath was the question I guess:

Ryzom in end is ryzom it's a fun game not overly populated but not a baren wasteland either. You'll always find stuff you need on traders or ppl willing to craft it for you. Teaming migth be a bit hard at times at low lvl's but even then you'll find oldies to heal out of team or grind an alt with you.

Ryzom isn't dieing (atleast I hope not), ppl been telling this for years now (probably since a month after release or something) it caters to a select public that like a hard game where 12years after release ppl are still finding new recepies or ways to play.

Will ryzom die in the next 5years? I hope not either but it depends what they do with it since atm no fun events nothing actually is going on! Why don't they have random kittin of the death att a region once in a while or an exterminator attacking ever few days, weeks and so on. Or even a goo outbreak ....
Just something to keep us entertained, all you need in end is to make something in aarc and then have an event team member login on server push the aarc and execute the script and ppl playing will do the rest.

Ok I finally have a picture of Ryzom status.

I am wondering, hasn't anyone tried to start a second full Ryzom using the opensource material? Not an exact clone since it would be useless but a mantained and evolving version of it.

Not that I have seen. I looked, but it seems no one has any interest. If you have the heart ,will power, leadership, money to run a dedicated server, and make it not pay 2 win, I will join:). If swg emulator pulls off 1500 people, and 2 3 grand a month,I am sure this could. Esp if said person added better content, used pay pal right, and based it in the USA. The rasoni found no one has is because, the free server thing is bare bones, so you need to make everything.

The only experience I have is with days, but I will help. I will also write quest dialog. I am no programmer though.

I see. Most viable option would be to acquire the whole thing from Winch Gate. On the other hand, such a populated world (not just by players but by database-driven stuff) could make it very difficult to try more ambitious refining.

While keeping Ryzom as it is right now, I wouldn't mind participating in a low-scale experimental spin-off to retake the original ideas and fully develop them. It would make it much easier to fix bugs in the process too. Both branches could benefit from each other.

New mechanics could be added, or current ones adapted, or simply reconfigured. I mean that depth of work doesn't need to be excessive in order to achieve satisfactory results. And could be even fun to play if it pursues that goal from the very begining.

Just imagine rich combat dynamics (ignoring magic for a second), not just "I am a master with elite gear smashing your head over and over".


How do you people feel about it?

I don't want my data on an american server. I'm not interested participating in development for free either. If it actually became something cool (which I doubt) I might join and play every now and then, maybe even pay a similar amount as current subscription.

Kailo: Like already said in this thread, look at ryzom forge, you can also write missions there.

Madre: You might want to look at Khaganat.net (at least if you speak french :)) and IRC channel #khanat (http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=khanat). They are trying to build pretty much what you said in your last posts.

Khaganat is looking forward to become a full and ambitious game. That's a big deal.

I would forfeit most of content and background related material in favor of *simply* achieving rich and fun gameplay dynamics based on Ryzom (and generally oriented towards it), that could be later ported to other worlds or simply enjoyed. You know, those things that can't be done in production servers. Just adding the content needed for testing (and having fun in the process) should be enough.

Would it help Ryzom? Would it help others? I don't know, it all depends on fairies and politics. But it sounds like a good arrangement given the current (yet everlasting) situation.

It's an idea, not a proposal.