IDEAS FOR RYZOM

I think I understand the opposing views better now. That people want restrictions in the game. They want to make a choice and that choice to be important- to have a visible impact. I also understand their worries with this idea now (hopefully)- that at the heart of it, their RP choices will be diminished if people can copy their choices without the restrictions that they have had to follow.

The freedom to play the game as you want, which I believe this idea would enhance, is an important thing... but then on the other hand the restrictions which make roleplay decisions have an impact is also important- remove that and you loose the value of roleplay.

Essentially I believe my idea still can work as long as there are good enough advantages for having an aligned guild, keeping the impact of the roleplay decision to have an aligned guild. Riku I understand removing PR tps would fit the situation but I believe it is too restricting- and I believe the aligned guilds should gain benefits- rather than the non-aligned guilds loose them. The problem is I cannot for the life of me think of better things than cosmetics.

I will think on possible benefits.

To people in disagreement with the idea:
Hypothetically speaking, if the idea came true and hypothetically speaking there was a good enough benefit/difference for aligned guilds that made your roleplay choice important- would you support the idea? (This would enhance being in an aligned guild rather than diminish it)

sorry but neutral play without Pr tps, it should not be so difucult for the other players to do the same.

you want PR tps be aligned, if not play whithout it, it's not difficult

@Zilon: We aren't talking about neutral players- we are talking about aligned players.

no, we are talking about the restrictions to apply to a guild like you want with kara, kami, mara etc......

you think removing the PR tps is too restricting, i prouve to you that mani player play well whith this restriction.

if player who want "multi aligned" guild don't want restriction, sorry but it's not possible for me.

if we finally have some guild with kami,kara, mara without restriction...... the alligned guild will be upset, the neutral guild will be upset and sorry that represent more than the two guild actually crying......

That is why I am saying provide benefits to the aligned guilds...

A much better alternative than restricting normal players. Half the reason for many people going kami/kara in the first place are PR tps..

Their restriction comes in not receiving the benefits that aligned guilds would get. Not sure you are understanding this.

People in "normal" guilds would then complain that they don't have the same benefits and threaten to unsubstantiated their many accounts and this would just repeat over and over again.

Not at all- you aren't taking anything away from these players- you are just adding an aditional benefit if you make a choice.

If you took things away from them however then they would complain.

by the way i see it the only thing this game have that i dont find much anywhere else is the freedom*
to play as I wish
choose friends and play with them
cant find a resonable reason to put (more) restrictions to game.
benefits to someone who will agree with restriction i can agree with that

only thing i cant agree is to give more restrictions to the ones who want to play and keep free in game

so the only thing i would add if i could would be a new kind of guild* (call it Neutral able to add all factions or kinds of play modes to keep friends together no matter where they want to be in game)

if by other hand the decision is on split everyone than encript talks and factions to get only available to the faction

(dont forget to cut commerce to kamis on kara lands and to karas on kami lands too*)

the idea to create more restrictions and limitations wont help the game on anything!
thats only my point of view

Fenomeno

Hm, talking about incentives to align or not align: what if a "normal" guild could not initiate any outpost fight? Obviously, if you have both kamis and karas in guild, neither higher power would be willing to build a drill for you.

I would also say that such a "normal" guild may also be forbidden to take part in wars started by others, but such a limitation would be too strong.

I keep without understant if this is a Forum problem or if its only players posting without read or try to understand what the others say...
Or maybe simply too greedy to see the advantages "To the Game"

"Its simple to see the advantages to prevent some enemies to attack us"


advice:
Focus on what is need to make your game better. Do not let wants and desires distract you from what really matters.

Good idea - will never happen ofc - role players would vomit being primary reason - but also think no one is capable of altering the coding stuff that much - for the game

I vote for "free" guilds - any alliance for tp's / "old times' sake"/ chats, etc

Free guilds do not own ops

Free guilds with free homins who can help any side they want to - including fighting against own members of guild if they like - being as fighting has, sometimes, just been what homins do for a bit of fun

Oh - and very little role play - friendship and "others" being mostly reason to be here in game and kill/ rez/ sell stuff in shops, etc.

Can align with one region - being as having citizenship means having better trade with New Horizons - for crystals/ piks/ catalysers for little members/ generic mats

No. One reason that seems to not be sinking in:

Fame is not how you percieve others, it is how they percieve you.

probably should repeat that a few hundred times because its very clear its just not being understood!!!!


Take me, I have 100 Kami fame.

If I joined a guild that openly accepted marauders, Trytonists and karavaneers, how do you think the KAMI WOULD SEE ME?

Not worthy of 100 fame anymore. I just betrayed my supposed loyalty to them, openley and with total disregard.

bam -50 fame and no PR tps for me - should be the consequence. Though I'm saved from instant justice by having to renounce first.

Thankfully, I am 100% enamoured with the Kami, and have even gifted them my soul. ;P

Also for any wisecracks spouting genious rationalisations such as "Im a spy for the marauders, infiltrating another guild"

Nice one, very sucsessfull cover you have there, useing Mara TPs, having the entire marauder faction (from the npcs PoV) know who you are, and that every nation and the powers also have your wanted posters out with your face on them. Best cover ever :p

A real spy would have positive fames, have taken the appropiate rite and be sending izams back to their real guild/clan leader in the middle of the night.

So please dont use that lame attempt at not-RPing as a way to try and manipulate the argument in your favour. Everyone knows its BS even if they couldnt put their finger on it.

Destroying the foundations of what makes ryzom, ryzom, is a really bad idea.
Add to the fact, that no-one and nothing is stopping you from just renouncing, so that you can be in the guild you want to be in - and if renouncing is too big of a step, then you know where your prioritys are, and thats fine too.

Exactly, Xtarsia.

It's all been said before, but still:

Which brings me back to the point of why the existing teaming, forming a league and using self-created extra "secret" chat channels does not suffice to be friends with others?

There are quite a few players out there who use those means to play with their friends. Some of them play characters in different guilds than the friends, some decided for their chars to remain unguilded. No problem.

To me it's all about priorities for the devs to focus their work on. This particular idea - while convenient to a few players if implemented - changes quite a few things concerning the game's balance between the powers for all those who take those powers seriously. Imho, there's far more things that should be done first. Simply because there's already a very viable workaround for those who are proposing this idea.

If anything, this (and the other thread about this topic) should alert any devs out there to heed the consequences of a partial release of new features: Whatever you say and do, half the folks do not remember later on that changes might be bugfixes or just missing pieces which should have been there from the start of that new feature...

I'd just like to point out that i disagree with the use ofthe word 'normal' to describe anything. What is normal is very subjective and the closest thing would be average, but I have no desire at all to be average!

Doh!

So what???