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Should the Kitin Patrols be:
Kept the same? 30 (2)
63.8%
Eliminated completely? 3
6.4%
Kept, but reduced in frequency? 9 (2)
19.1%
Other 5
10.6%
Abstain 1
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#1 Added by Minou 10 years ago [en] 

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Well, the Kitin patrols have been added back after the merge. At first I thought I wouldn't mind an additional challenge in PR. I do find however, the number of patrols in one region that overlap mean every trek is constantly threatened, and solo digging down there is just to some players - not worth the hassle anymore.

The server has low numbers of players, and perhaps at that time after launch when they were part of the game, and there were enough spare players to bring a guard of 6+ to guard one digger, they were a challenge, but is it the case that time has passed?

I'm not so sure that the patrols are more than just an annoyance now, rather than the challenge they could be if they were perhaps fewer in frequency, or perhaps people feel the need to remove them again. I don't know how neutral players feel about PR (The reason they were removed when the factions were implemented in 2005).

Edited 4 times | Last edited by Minou (10 years ago)

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#2 Added by Djaimse 10 years ago [fr] 

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La situation aujourd'hui dans les Primes, c'est qu'une heure après un reboot, ou un changement de saison, il ne reste plus grand chose sur les spots de mp intéressantes. Ce qui fait que j'y vais moins souvent, ce n'est pas le danger, mais le fait qu'il y ai très peu de chance de trouver quelque chose.

Donc, soit on est présent exactement à ces heures là, soit on a rien, ou pas grand chose.

Je proposerais donc
1) que les patrouilles soient nombreuses et très énervées lors des reboots et changements de saison, et qu'elles diminuent en nombre progressivement au fil du temps.

2) que les Primes soient totalement imprévisibles, les pop totalement aléatoires en xl et sup, les patrouilles parfois nombreuses, parfois rares ...

En gros, rajouter de l'aventure.

PS : j'aimerais bien aussi qu'elles soient interdites à tous ceux qui ne sont ni Matis, ni Karavaniers, mais bon, plein de grincheux vont encore râler ^^

#3 Added by Lacuna 10 years ago [en] 

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Worst idea ever. Sorry for the hyperbole but I love KP.  I have spent most of my game life in PR and I can honestly say that KP are the best thing about this game. They make treks, digging, bosses fun. I am a solo digger and I really do not understand why people say that KP make PR too hard.  I would also argue going in a team does give you protection BUT its also makes you such a large tasty target.  I would argue for more effective KP, not less. I would like to see their range and paths tweaked so that there are no safe spots.  PR is meant to be hard and even with KP it is not that bad.   And please, please, please bring KP back to KL, as is stands KL will always lose to watching paint dry.

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#4 Added by Mjollren 10 years ago [en] 

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Last time when I dared mention kps suck, all sorts of nice folks rushed to tell me it's just an impression and PR is damn easy.

So, you know, it's settled. We're just noobs.

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#5 Added by Bones 10 years ago [en] 

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I will not say PR is easy or hard with KP. I think it does add the element of surprise to the game that keeps me on my toes and can even make things more interesting. I admit that I will get frustrated if I am in a group that doesn't have a clue how to handle them but at the same time I think that after they figure it out KP actually makes for better players and more fun. Between them and weather it actually allows for more people to have a chance at getting sup mats anyways. I think it would be better if they would change them a little bit more so that certain spots are covered better while others are not overlapped as much by three at a time. Maybe they are a little too close together, I don't know. I just voted to keep samw because I'm lazy and can't think of better idea atm LOL.

#6 Added by Lacuna 10 years ago [en] 

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Bones (atys)
I will not say PR is easy or hard with KP. I think it does add the element of surprise to the game that keeps me on my toes and can even make things more interesting. I admit that I will get frustrated if I am in a group that doesn't have a clue how to handle them but at the same time I think that after they figure it out KP actually makes for better players and more fun. Between them and weather it actually allows for more people to have a chance at getting sup mats anyways. I think it would be better if they would change them a little bit more so that certain spots are covered better while others are not overlapped as much by three at a time. Maybe they are a little too close together, I don't know. I just voted to keep samw because I'm lazy and can't think of better idea atm LOL.

I know you are talking about me and Marichia, you swine! And it is not our fault, kipekoo was being male and we were distracted by important Nutella issues :P

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#7 Added by Bones 10 years ago [en] 

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Lacuna (atys)

I know you are talking about me and Marichia, you swine! And it is not our fault, kipekoo was being male and we were disracted by important Nutella issues :P

Well it did take THIS male to show you how to pull it in the end :P <3

#8 Added by Zendae 10 years ago [fr] 

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Djaimse (atys)
Je proposerais donc :
1) que les patrouilles soient nombreuses et très énervées lors des reboots et changements de saison, et qu'elles diminuent en nombre progressivement au fil du temps.

Bonne idée Djaimse

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#9 Added by Lacuna 10 years ago [fr] 

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Zendae (atys)
Djaimse (atys)
Je proposerais donc :
1) que les patrouilles soient nombreuses et très énervées lors des reboots et changements de saison, et qu'elles diminuent en nombre progressivement au fil du temps.

Bonne idée Djaimse

To implement, it might be easier to make their range increase at these times and then gradually decrease.

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#10 Added by Binarabi 10 years ago [en] 

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"Kept" (because I suppose they have to be a threat in PR - being as kitin are a threat to all homins and are part of our pve)

"Reduced" because many homins are casual players and have not got the time to go digging in PR and learn how to avoid KP and KP just put them off altogether, so keeping KP high - or making them ever higher, is just keeping PR for the Atyss Elite

Lacuna gave great advice on weather and PR dig - but most recent refugees are not going to meander through forums to find this

I think Mj asked for them to be introduced back into the Kitin Lair - though this would be a shame for recent refugees who are taking up an OCC to make a living

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#11 Added by Zendae 10 years ago [en] 

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Binarabi (atys)
so keeping KP high - or making them ever higher, is just keeping PR for the Atyss Elite

but we are talking about 250 PR, so yes it's for "Elite". What a recent refugee would do there ?

what I like in the idea of Djaimse is that it would be more difficult when "Elite" players are digging to empty suprem spots, but easier if you go a long time after season change (2 last days IRL). So everybody wins.

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#12 Added by Bones 10 years ago [en] 

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I agree. 250 PR zones having KP do not keep casual players from digging sups. There is nothing elite about learning and if this is a "sandbox", then even a casual would have time to learn about aggro in 250 PR zones and "pay their dues" to kirosta while learning. I don't claim to be overly awesome but even experienced diggers still lose mats if they don't pay attention. This keeps things intersting for me instead of just yay sups! I don't want to push anyone away but taking out things is going backwards from what needs to be happening here anyways. Feel free to flame/shame these are my views and I'm happy to share :)

#13 Added by Lacuna 10 years ago [en] 

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Bones (atys)
I agree. 250 PR zones having KP do not keep casual players from digging sups. There is nothing elite about learning and if this is a "sandbox", then even a casual would have time to learn about aggro in 250 PR zones and "pay their dues" to kirosta while learning. I don't claim to be overly awesome but even experienced diggers still lose mats if they don't pay attention. This keeps things intersting for me instead of just yay sups! I don't want to push anyone away but taking out things is going backwards from what needs to be happening here anyways. Feel free to flame/shame these are my views and I'm happy to share :)

+1, Bones.

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#14 Added by Rikutatis 10 years ago [en] 

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Lacuna (atys)
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Worst idea ever. Sorry for the hyperbole but I love KP.  I have spent most of my game life in PR and I can honestly say that KP are the best thing about this game. They make treks, digging, bosses fun. I am a solo digger and I really do not understand why people say that KP make PR too hard.  I would also argue going in a team does give you protection BUT its also makes you such a large tasty target.  I would argue for more effective KP, not less. I would like to see their range and paths tweaked so that there are no safe spots.  PR is meant to be hard and even with KP it is not that bad.   And please, please, please bring KP back to KL, as is stands KL will always lose to watching paint dry.

I completely agree with Lacuna, Bones and Zendae on this one. I say keep KP, they're one of the most exciting and challenging elements of PvE in this game. And bring KP back to KL as well, it's very boring down there right now! ^^

Last edited by Rikutatis (10 years ago)

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#15 Added by Virg 10 years ago [en] 

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Voted other:

Would like to see more KPs but with a bit of a longer respawn time. Their current respawn time is too short. Please don't remove KPs from the game- PR should be fun and imo harder than it currently is.

(Roleplay reason: With the nasty rangers blocking up all the tunnels in the 4 civ lands it only makes sense the kitins would go through PR more.)

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