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#66 [fr] 

[quote=Zendae (atys)][h1]

"Nous les avons faites réalisées .."


*ne sait quoi en penser*

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Big recipe


Ingfarah / Misugi



Let's start with Misugi's recipe. A true patchwork, but really justified by its creator. Features are goods.

This is his explanation :
Misugi
First I've removed all supreme hunting materials which are too rare to my eyes, at least if it is about to craft 20 armors.
The calculation is simple : a sole material for one piece of armor = 120 materials for the 20 armors ! [...]
For the same reason, I limited the number of supreme harvested materials per kind (Tama, Dung, etc.) : 2 max for small recipe and 3 max for the big one.
Same for excellent hunting material : 2 max [...]

I've maintained protection factor and maximum percing threshold to optimal values.
Without neglecting the maximum slashing because do not forget that all kitins have percing strikes except Kidinak with his slashing claws.
I've kept the 75% parry to have +2 per piece, a key I think !
On the other side I did'nt care about durability, because 65% are enough to ensure a durability of 500 points [...]

A good point for Kidinaks and their slashing strikes ! But durability at 500, no, You must have in mind a hight quality plan.
However, we enjoyed the reasoned choice taking account of difficulties for harvesting. The recipe loses a little bit of harmony but it's a detail.



Ingfarah on her side, was well ranked in stage 1. Indeed, among three recipes at 133 credits, hers was made with only one boss supreme mats, although there was six for others. For the stage 2, she simply swap it with a supreme forage mat.
ingfarah
[...] In order to make my recipe more accessible, however, we could replace it by a supreme silverweed. Durability would suffer (78%), but the loss is minimal and allow to avoid supreme from hunting. The use of kirosta's secretion and its tail allow to use more mats from one named beast, witch is a good point for this recipe.

What comes out already from Ingfarah's recipe are the produced stats : all are still matching stage 1 criteria except durability, a bit under.
But that's not all ! Slashing resistance don't have to be ashamed in comparison with Misugi's recipe, but also, the dodge penalty is null. It could be usefull if warriors have to heal (well, if they think to switch mode...)

About low cost, we have nearly the same amount of credits on each side. Let's detail materials quantity per grade.

harvested supreme
r.misu : 12, r.ing : 12
looted excellent :
r.misu : 7, r.ing : 11
harvested excellent :
r.misu : 5, r.ing : 1

Light advantage for Misugi with more harvested excellent.
About named bosses :

r.misu : sadichi/weebil, vispa, rippa, wikkah
r.ing : sadichi/weebil, vulca, wikkah (x2)

The difference is not clear, r.ing ask to go in Prime 250 but karavaneer can join relativaly easily Midway Point and camp of the Keepers where pass Vulca the jugula and also a twin of Wikkah the kirosta.

No, the real difference is about supreme mats repartition.
r.misu : 12 supreme mats of 6 different kinds, whose 3 tama.
r.ing : 12 supreme mats of 3 different kinds, whose 7 tama.

Now is a interesting question : is it better to expect for good foraging conditions for one kind we need a lot, or take time at the beginning to gather several mats, have the good conditions for each of them, but then be cool for a while ?

We found supreme mat at beginning of seasons, when it's the right season... and when it does want to pop. About 70 mats per spot. Usually, the one who found it empty it. After that, you have to wait for next season.

Let's do a little simulation for a complete armor from basic plan. For the shell, all mats are supreme for Ingfarah's recipe (7+5)x3 = 36 ; and only (3+2)x3 = 15 for Misugi's one.
Suppose foragers are good and bring 70 tama at each season.

This array shows how many armor we could build over 6 season for each recipe according to Tama stock. We add a disvantage of one season on r.misu because of the various mats to harvest.



However, Ingarah's recipe is more solid by 6.3%. Armors while last a little longer. The duration will depend the use of the armor, but in practice it would become an advantage at the time when it allowed to gain at least one season. With 6.3%, it's from the 16th season : if Misugi's recipe lasted 16 season, the one of Ingfarah would last 17 for the same use. Before, it does not change anything.

What to choose ? features or feasibility ? What is the real gain from high stats ?

Against a great kincher that strike at 1012 :
r.ing absorbs 1012x59.1% = 598
r.misu absorbs 1012x58,3% = 590
difference : 8 dmg less per hit pour r.ing.

Against a great kirosta that strike at 1435 :
r.ing absorbs 647
r.misu absorbs 631
difference : 16 dmg less per hit pour r.ing.

That is not really a difference.

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r. Misugi | Ranks |r. Ingfarah
A | main features | A+
A | sec. features |A+
A | low cost | B
A+ | knowledge | A
B+ | harmony | A



Zendae had the face more whitish than usual. Too much matemati !, especially for a Amazon.
She was dizzy so she went to lie down, relax a bit because she has yet to write down
the result for the small recipe, Misugi vs Placio, another great fight.
She thought that Erminantius would take over to communicate the deliberate of big recipe.

Edited 4 times | Last edited by Zendae (10 years ago)

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Beauté, curiosité, virtuosité !

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Result of the royal competition for heavy armor Matis

The Jury, composed of serae Zendae and ser Erminantius (1), considered a long time recipes of competitors in order to analyse their qualities and defects.

After a long deliberation, where recipes were compared from different angles, the jury has finally ranked them, although it was very difficult, seeing the various qualities of each recipes.

The ranking for the best big recipe is this one :

First : Ser Misugi
Second : Serae Ingfarah
Third : Ser Ventron

PS : The ranking for small recipe will comme soon
(1) prolonged absence of ser Smoker

Last edited by Erminantius (10 years ago)

#69 [fr] 

Skyshot prit connaissance des réflexions du jury quant aux grandes recettes.
Trés surpris qu'il n'ai nul part été fait référence de l'importance du poids des armures lourdes, Skyshot s'en retourna en souriant ... décidément, les matis sont bien meilleurs à débattre de la façon de se protéger et fuir que de faire face et combattre l'ennemi comme un vrai guerrier Fyros.

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#70 Multilingual 

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Dear competitors, the contest is nearly finished, but I have a important information regarding the reward.

The Karae has concent to let you the possibility to choose your reward among those two prizes :

- Generic sylan materials from grade choice and quality 250, with as much quantity as detailed at the beginning of the contest.

OR

- a quantity ten times less, but excellent grade.

The kingdom thanks you for competiting.

Last edited by Zendae (10 years ago)

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#71 [fr] 

La serae Luxee regardait l'annonce des récompenses affichée.
- 10 fois moindre.. dix fois moindre.. 300 choix pour le vainqueur..
Elle retournait les chiffres dans sa tête mais arrivait toujours à ..30! Même pas de quoi faire une jolie pièce de lourde...
Elle baissa la tête tristement, si cela montrait la magnificence et la générosité matisse, on allait encore rigoler sur son passage.. à moins que cela ne reflétasse la réalité de l'état des caisses du royaume... Elle s'éloigna discrètement.

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Zenday was pleased that the queen accepted this modification, that certainly competitors would enjoy, green color excellent materials beeing normaly unfindable on the bark. Oh! we didn't offer much of them, but, a good craftsman knows that to give a precise color to a armor, you only this color to be majority - and even sometimes only equal to others - in the global composition. It would be a brazen waste only to *imagine* doing a armor only with those generic materials. But no worries to have, with present competitors, mats would be in experts' hands.

Edited 2 times | Last edited by Zendae (10 years ago)

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#73 [fr] 

Serae Luxee était loin d'imaginer toutes les possibilités qu'offrait l'écorce mais il y avait bien longtemps qu'elle savait sortir la couleur qu'elle voulait et l'ordre de prédominance de celles ci. Atysoel restait bien plus généreux que le royaume.. que cela vienne d'un rite païen n'aurait pas du la faire sourire..
Elle haussa les épaules. Que lui importait au fond...

Ps zendae, j'aurais pu compter en parpaings, mais cela aurait été moins évident pour comparer la quantité que cela représentait^^ on sait très bien toutes les 2 que les génériques donnent des stats équivalentes partout, et que l'on recherche bien plus à avoir quelques caractéristiques bien précises à 100% plutôt que tout à même hauteur.

Edited 3 times | Last edited by Luxee (10 years ago)

#74 [fr] 

Concernant la récompense offerte, je souhaiterai des matières de grade excellent merci :)

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#75 [fr] 

Je prendrai les choix:D

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Your queries are heared, craftsmen, We'll summaries them later.

Very soon the analysis of small recipes !

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#77 Multilingual 

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Small recipe


Misugi / Placio



We already know Misugi's recipe, "small" version uses the same choices than its elder sister. Same materials but it lower quantity.

Placio on his side, is someone who dares making propositions. Those are his explanations :
Placio
1. The first criteria from phase 1 was durability. At 80 in a basic recipe this should result in 390hp (350hp if crafter does not have durability rite). I believe a better way to make more durable armors is to use the next skin up, medium quality HA. To get over 390hp on MQ would take only 52 pre-craft, allowing focus to be on other factors.

2. The second requirement was parry modifier. I think 75 is too low for Kitins, they hit hard and you want to parry and avoid being hit, rather than hoping armor will absorb enough damage. So of course 100%, +3 parry is the only way I can proceed.

3. Third is protection factor. This works in reverse to how we normally think. You want high PF if the mobs hits are low damage to absorb the greatest % possible. However Kitins hit hard, usually well over 1100 damage, so with big hits PF is not most important as the % will exceed Max vs pierce.

4. Finally is pierce protection. I did my best to max this stat while keeping 100 parry, but it would not work without extremely rare materials. So i just tried to get above 90 and called it a day.



Placio's reasoning is interesting. Obviously the recipe will ask for more materials, we'll see to what extend.
Aside from +3 parry, as Ingfarah's recipe we have +0 dodge, a fair resistance to slashing, and a piece which is pretty light -which will pleased some.

But ? isn't protection factor a bit low ? Placio's reasoning is right but start from the postulate that kitins strike far over 1100. off, as we said before, at S.K.A. (Sanekinion ten Kitina Aremei) we've ranked great kitins according to strength of their strike in - for the moment - 3 families :

- Class G (Great) : 1012 damage : Kincher, Kipucka, Kidinak, Kizoar.
- Class GS (soldier) : 1435 damage : Kirosta, Kinrey
- Class GE (extra) : various damage : Kipesta, Kiban, Kipee

This is each armors absorption against class G and GS :

r.misu || G : 1012x0.582 = 589 , GS : 1435x0.582 = 835 (threshold at 634) => 634
r.plac || G : 1012x0.513 = 519 , GS : 1435x0.513 = 736 (threshold at 643) => 643

Placio's recipe absorbs 70 points less against a kincher, 9 points more on a kirosta.

But do not forget parry ! will the extra bonus on Placio's recipe compensates protection factor deficits ? In any case it is obvious it will increase advantage against GS class.

To evaluate +6 gain that would features a complete armor from Placio's recipe in comparison to Misugi's one, we started from this document exhumed from relics of Wakwai monastary. Indeed they were Umaenai but in their time they were famous for the quality of their publications.

This grafitic shows how changes parry (or dodge) chances according to level difference between attacker and defender.



That come out from this document with a bit of Matemati, is that for a kitin in same levels than a mere fighter, 2 more parry points give 1% extra chance to avoid the hit.

So a complete armor from Placio's recipe would gives 3% (+6pt) chance of parry over a armor from Misugi.

Now in order to visualize the effect of all this, let's start the theorical test of "100 kitins' claws hits". S.K.A studies are still young but this would represent hits received within 2 minutes against 3 or 4 kitins. The array shows also the number of heals level 200 amplified at 100% (1390hp) neccessary to cover the wounds.



this is a indicative average, supposing we encounter as many class G as class GS



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Let's have a look now on recipes composition, to evaluate feasibility

harvested supreme
r.misu : 8, r.plac : 8
looted excellent :
r.misu : 6, r.plac : 10
harvested excellent :
r.misu : 4, r.plac : 6

r.misu : sadichi/weebil, vispa, wikkah
r.plac : cetra, naka/lector, wikkah

Cetra is a big kipee form 250 primes root but easy to hunt because its walk-around is limited and close to teleport altars.
Placio's recipe asks for more materials but not the most uncommon.

As in former match it is on supreme repartition that we have a difference
r.misu : 8 surpreme materials of 5 different kind, of maxiumum quantity 2 each.
r.plac : 8 surpreme materials of 3 different kind, whose 6 moon resins.

For a same use, Placio's recipe would last 17.2% extra time. If Misugi's armor would last 12 seasons, it would be 14 for Placio's.
However the same phenomenon will occurs than Misugi/Ingfarah match if we compare the number of armor potentialy produced per season. The repartition proposed by Misugi is still to our eyes the best guarantee on feasibility.

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r. Misugi | Ranks | r. Placio
A | Main features | A
A | Sec. features | A+
A | Low cost | B
A+ | Knowledge | A
B+ | Harmony | A+

Last edited by Zendae (10 years ago)

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Beauté, curiosité, virtuosité !

#78 Multilingual 

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Result of the royal competition for heavy armor Matis

The Jury, composed of serae Zendae and ser Erminantius (1), considered a long time recipes of competitors in order to analyse their qualities and defects.

After a long deliberation, where recipes were compared from different angles, the jury has finally ranked them, although it was very difficult, seeing the various qualities of each recipes.

The ranking for the best small recipe is this one :

First : Ser Misugi
Second : Ser Placio
Third : Ser Ventron

En conclusion nous félicitons tout particulièrement ser Misugi qui a remporté le concours sur les deux recettes. Nous félicitons également tous les finalistes et nous remercions tous les participants à ce concours. Le jury remercie également serae Natala pour son aide sur la confection des morceaux d'armure.

To conclude we congrat specificaly ser Misugi who wins the contest on the both recipe. We congrat also all finalits et thank all people attending to this contest. The jury thank too serae Natala for her help on crafting armor pieces.

We invite ser Misugi, serae Ingfarah, ser Placio and ser Ventron to come to receive their prizes at next Karae court.
The Karae will offer
6 prizes to ser Misugi
2 prizes to ser Ventron
1 prize to serae Ingfarah
2 prize to ser Placio

1 prize = 100 choice materials or 10 excellent.

NB : we advice strongly guest to inform themself about habits and customs of Karae court in order that everything goes for the best.

(1) prolonged absence of ser Smoker

Edited 2 times | Last edited by Erminantius (10 years ago)

#79 [en] 

Gratz Misugi!

#80 [en] 

Virg shook his head in disbelief as he read the post on the notice board once a second time. They are claiming a recipe that is cumbersome and difficult to dodge in is the best armour? Also Placio's favoured fighting Kitin Patrols by a Tryker mile. He chuckled to himself, thinking in his head, Do these homins know nothing of combat? If all these matisians do is run around trying to parry everything no wonder why their city was nearly overrun with kitins..He walked away still a little confused.. Two things were clear to him, for all their self-claimed finesse, these matisians just ran around trying to smash things like the Fyros and clearly these homins had never solo'd a kitin patrol.

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