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Le Vagabond des Brumes

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[OOC] Some posts have been moved to new topic. [/OOC]
Great crafing contest (OOC)

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* Passes Mendell in a swift and gracious step *



Laye mai ! I provide you qualification's result for stage 2

Big recipe

-Misugi
-Ventron
-Ingfarah

Small recipe

Placio
Misugi
Ventron

Because of a mistake on credits, Ventron took the place of Ingfarah for the small recipe.

The named competitors has already win 100 generics per recipe.

Each craftsman was skilful, in accordance to the nearest of asked critera. Be aware that this skilful cannot be obtained by limiting to let the little interactive amber cube "Kipeecraft" search it for you.
It's interesting to see, the big recipe for example, despite everyone has announced the same amount of credits, recipes are different. However no one did less than 133. The counting system is perfectible of course.

There is all the same a constant that we find in your recipes, that are the Tama wood, Yelk moss, Jugula's feng and Kirosta's tail. Those are indeed the four materials that maximise the critera without counteracting between them. A recipe with all those materials in excellent grade gives already a fair result, but with potential wasted on parry, and not enough protection vis-a-vis our demands.

Starting now is the stage 2 of the contest


Now that the craftsmen has demonstrated their skills to select materials, we are going to test their savvy.
Because craftsmen know it well, one have often to compromise, between ideal characteristics and feasibility. Compromise between the hard work to gather materials, and fervor of the warrior exhilarated by characteristics of his armor.

The context is this : produce armors in important quantity (let's imagine about twenty) to defend ourselves against kitins.

For this second stage, criteria are released. They are still an aim, but you may decrease them to improve feasibility. If you can argue your choice it's good, even if recipes talk by themselves.

I'm going to provide an example to make it clear what is it about :
- a heavy armor as a protection factor from 40% to 60% corresponding to 0% and 100% while assembling materials (precraft)
- ie, a decrease of 5% in precraft represent a loss of 1% on the finished item
- at 95%, the armor protects up to 59% ; does a loss of 1% changes a lot in a fight against big kitins ?
- but if we decrease it to much, the warrior will feel deceived ...
This is only a example, uncomplete of course.

Ser Master craftsmen, to your mektoub sense and your experience ! and you can certainly leave your qualification recipe as is, if you think it's already satisfying !
note : you have to search only in the category (big and/or small) where you've been qualified.

Your proposition (1 only) must be sent to us before the beginning of next summer, 1st of Floris, 1st AC 2582*, otherwise we will base on your qualification recipe.

*February the 16th, 00h34 UTC

Edited 2 times | Last edited by Zendae (10 years ago)

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#63 [en] 

Placio the Frippo paces in his apartment awaiting official contest results....

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[/i]Each competitor did send a recipe. Jury's members were analysing them, both in term of their features obtained and selected materials.
Craftsmen worked with care, so jury were feeling the duty to take as much care to render their judgement.[/i]

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Ventron


L'artisan Ventron a, lorsqu'il nous a transmis ses deux recettes, exprimé en même temps le souhait de se retirer du concours, jugeant que sa difficulté devenait au dessus de ses compétences.

Sans doute un accès de modestie ? à l'image de sa recette, entièrement en excellente issue des ressources du bosquet de la confusion ?
Allons cher Kterhos, si tu es en phase 2, c'est que tu dois avoir quelques talents !
Cela dit, nous respectons ton souhait... * voit Erminantius qui s'éponge le front, soulagé du risque que le patriote l'emporte au concours *
Voici tout de même un commentaire sur ta recette de phase 2, au nom de la passion de l'artisanat !

Nous les avons faites réalisées par les doigts de fée de Natala, voici ce que ça donne :


Ventron
Nous aimons la simplicité, une seule recette avec les ressources du seul bosquet de la confusion pour un ensemble parok rouge du 25ième cercle [...]

Cette couleur se perçoit mieux au milieu des hordes de kitins et la durabilité n'est sacrifiée qu'au profit de la disponibilité des matériaux...

Bois de Tama, chasse des nommés Sadichi, Vispa, et Naka. De quoi tourner de longues journées dans le bosquet de la confusion par équipe de trois. On pourrait alterner avec de la mousse de Weebil et des queues de Lector si on trouve cela trop répétitif. La pénibilité de récolte sera sûrement la mousse de yelk : il en faut 7 ou 5 par pièce ; c'est ce qui serait souvent en pénurie.

l'antiperfo semble un peu basse en théorie. Mais on a quand même une absorption de 59% assurée sur les dommages des attaques jusqu'à une force de 1048.
Au delà l’absorption plafonne à 619, le maximum théorique étant 664.

Au Sanekinion ten Kitina Amerei nous avons mesuré que la plupart des kitin prédateurs, dans leur "grand format" ont une attaque d'une force de 1012. Cela s'accorde bien au 1048.
Les kitins soldats comme le kirosta ou le terrible kinrey frappent à 1435, et aucune armure connue ne peut absorber 60% de cette force, c'est là que le seuil maximum fait la différence.

notes :
caractéristiques principales : B+
caractéristiques secondaires : B
économie : A+
connaissance : A
harmonie : A+

Faire une armure juste en excellente, une bonne idée ? nous le verrons en analysant les recettes des autres concurrents.

Prochaine publication : Ingfarah vs Misugi pour la grande recette !

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#66 [fr] 

[quote=Zendae (atys)][h1]

"Nous les avons faites réalisées .."


*ne sait quoi en penser*

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Big recipe


Ingfarah / Misugi



Let's start with Misugi's recipe. A true patchwork, but really justified by its creator. Features are goods.

This is his explanation :
Misugi
First I've removed all supreme hunting materials which are too rare to my eyes, at least if it is about to craft 20 armors.
The calculation is simple : a sole material for one piece of armor = 120 materials for the 20 armors ! [...]
For the same reason, I limited the number of supreme harvested materials per kind (Tama, Dung, etc.) : 2 max for small recipe and 3 max for the big one.
Same for excellent hunting material : 2 max [...]

I've maintained protection factor and maximum percing threshold to optimal values.
Without neglecting the maximum slashing because do not forget that all kitins have percing strikes except Kidinak with his slashing claws.
I've kept the 75% parry to have +2 per piece, a key I think !
On the other side I did'nt care about durability, because 65% are enough to ensure a durability of 500 points [...]

A good point for Kidinaks and their slashing strikes ! But durability at 500, no, You must have in mind a hight quality plan.
However, we enjoyed the reasoned choice taking account of difficulties for harvesting. The recipe loses a little bit of harmony but it's a detail.



Ingfarah on her side, was well ranked in stage 1. Indeed, among three recipes at 133 credits, hers was made with only one boss supreme mats, although there was six for others. For the stage 2, she simply swap it with a supreme forage mat.
ingfarah
[...] In order to make my recipe more accessible, however, we could replace it by a supreme silverweed. Durability would suffer (78%), but the loss is minimal and allow to avoid supreme from hunting. The use of kirosta's secretion and its tail allow to use more mats from one named beast, witch is a good point for this recipe.

What comes out already from Ingfarah's recipe are the produced stats : all are still matching stage 1 criteria except durability, a bit under.
But that's not all ! Slashing resistance don't have to be ashamed in comparison with Misugi's recipe, but also, the dodge penalty is null. It could be usefull if warriors have to heal (well, if they think to switch mode...)

About low cost, we have nearly the same amount of credits on each side. Let's detail materials quantity per grade.

harvested supreme
r.misu : 12, r.ing : 12
looted excellent :
r.misu : 7, r.ing : 11
harvested excellent :
r.misu : 5, r.ing : 1

Light advantage for Misugi with more harvested excellent.
About named bosses :

r.misu : sadichi/weebil, vispa, rippa, wikkah
r.ing : sadichi/weebil, vulca, wikkah (x2)

The difference is not clear, r.ing ask to go in Prime 250 but karavaneer can join relativaly easily Midway Point and camp of the Keepers where pass Vulca the jugula and also a twin of Wikkah the kirosta.

No, the real difference is about supreme mats repartition.
r.misu : 12 supreme mats of 6 different kinds, whose 3 tama.
r.ing : 12 supreme mats of 3 different kinds, whose 7 tama.

Now is a interesting question : is it better to expect for good foraging conditions for one kind we need a lot, or take time at the beginning to gather several mats, have the good conditions for each of them, but then be cool for a while ?

We found supreme mat at beginning of seasons, when it's the right season... and when it does want to pop. About 70 mats per spot. Usually, the one who found it empty it. After that, you have to wait for next season.

Let's do a little simulation for a complete armor from basic plan. For the shell, all mats are supreme for Ingfarah's recipe (7+5)x3 = 36 ; and only (3+2)x3 = 15 for Misugi's one.
Suppose foragers are good and bring 70 tama at each season.

This array shows how many armor we could build over 6 season for each recipe according to Tama stock. We add a disvantage of one season on r.misu because of the various mats to harvest.



However, Ingarah's recipe is more solid by 6.3%. Armors while last a little longer. The duration will depend the use of the armor, but in practice it would become an advantage at the time when it allowed to gain at least one season. With 6.3%, it's from the 16th season : if Misugi's recipe lasted 16 season, the one of Ingfarah would last 17 for the same use. Before, it does not change anything.

What to choose ? features or feasibility ? What is the real gain from high stats ?

Against a great kincher that strike at 1012 :
r.ing absorbs 1012x59.1% = 598
r.misu absorbs 1012x58,3% = 590
difference : 8 dmg less per hit pour r.ing.

Against a great kirosta that strike at 1435 :
r.ing absorbs 647
r.misu absorbs 631
difference : 16 dmg less per hit pour r.ing.

That is not really a difference.

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r. Misugi | Ranks |r. Ingfarah
A | main features | A+
A | sec. features |A+
A | low cost | B
A+ | knowledge | A
B+ | harmony | A



Zendae had the face more whitish than usual. Too much matemati !, especially for a Amazon.
She was dizzy so she went to lie down, relax a bit because she has yet to write down
the result for the small recipe, Misugi vs Placio, another great fight.
She thought that Erminantius would take over to communicate the deliberate of big recipe.

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Result of the royal competition for heavy armor Matis

The Jury, composed of serae Zendae and ser Erminantius (1), considered a long time recipes of competitors in order to analyse their qualities and defects.

After a long deliberation, where recipes were compared from different angles, the jury has finally ranked them, although it was very difficult, seeing the various qualities of each recipes.

The ranking for the best big recipe is this one :

First : Ser Misugi
Second : Serae Ingfarah
Third : Ser Ventron

PS : The ranking for small recipe will comme soon
(1) prolonged absence of ser Smoker

Last edited by Erminantius (10 years ago)

#69 [fr] 

Skyshot prit connaissance des réflexions du jury quant aux grandes recettes.
Trés surpris qu'il n'ai nul part été fait référence de l'importance du poids des armures lourdes, Skyshot s'en retourna en souriant ... décidément, les matis sont bien meilleurs à débattre de la façon de se protéger et fuir que de faire face et combattre l'ennemi comme un vrai guerrier Fyros.

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Dear competitors, the contest is nearly finished, but I have a important information regarding the reward.

The Karae has concent to let you the possibility to choose your reward among those two prizes :

- Generic sylan materials from grade choice and quality 250, with as much quantity as detailed at the beginning of the contest.

OR

- a quantity ten times less, but excellent grade.

The kingdom thanks you for competiting.

Last edited by Zendae (10 years ago)

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#71 [fr] 

La serae Luxee regardait l'annonce des récompenses affichée.
- 10 fois moindre.. dix fois moindre.. 300 choix pour le vainqueur..
Elle retournait les chiffres dans sa tête mais arrivait toujours à ..30! Même pas de quoi faire une jolie pièce de lourde...
Elle baissa la tête tristement, si cela montrait la magnificence et la générosité matisse, on allait encore rigoler sur son passage.. à moins que cela ne reflétasse la réalité de l'état des caisses du royaume... Elle s'éloigna discrètement.

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Zenday was pleased that the queen accepted this modification, that certainly competitors would enjoy, green color excellent materials beeing normaly unfindable on the bark. Oh! we didn't offer much of them, but, a good craftsman knows that to give a precise color to a armor, you only this color to be majority - and even sometimes only equal to others - in the global composition. It would be a brazen waste only to *imagine* doing a armor only with those generic materials. But no worries to have, with present competitors, mats would be in experts' hands.

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#73 [fr] 

Serae Luxee était loin d'imaginer toutes les possibilités qu'offrait l'écorce mais il y avait bien longtemps qu'elle savait sortir la couleur qu'elle voulait et l'ordre de prédominance de celles ci. Atysoel restait bien plus généreux que le royaume.. que cela vienne d'un rite païen n'aurait pas du la faire sourire..
Elle haussa les épaules. Que lui importait au fond...

Ps zendae, j'aurais pu compter en parpaings, mais cela aurait été moins évident pour comparer la quantité que cela représentait^^ on sait très bien toutes les 2 que les génériques donnent des stats équivalentes partout, et que l'on recherche bien plus à avoir quelques caractéristiques bien précises à 100% plutôt que tout à même hauteur.

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#74 [fr] 

Concernant la récompense offerte, je souhaiterai des matières de grade excellent merci :)

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