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Better be careful when questioning the kingdom... remember the Momo's? nope. exactly.



I thought the idea of "Let's make fools of the marauders and show them we are better" was a good one... hence my fight club suggestion.
I have a feeling that a fair few people don't invite mara into doing something like that, besides the lore of the land, is through worry of being beaten.
I mean, if i was to hold an event and invite marauders knowing how pvp minded they are, I would have to be pretty damn sure i could at least take a couple down to save face :P

I hope a tryker wins their tournament but i suspect Elv's team will be in with the best chance :)


Why do mara not have meetings... I know there have been some in the past, albeit poorly attended. If things like this come about through rp meetings with event staff then we should at least be able to have the option to plan some events.... Even if it's simply sitting down and talking bollocks to whoever controls the character.(hopefully we don't get one of the event team that wants mara out. mentioning no names :P )
They could drop the hp of a city's guards for a night and get rid of their instant respawn.. providing an opportunity to storm a city.. other players can tag up and join in as resistance.

Yes - to get events you definitly need to have meetings and invite one of event team to it - are there enough event people about? And you would need to accomadate different "dialects"

Most of the translations are done now by other players. So usually you need one who can translate English to French and back. Most German players (not all, though) understand English. But indeed, you should make sure someone can do the hard work - and is willing to do so.

Honestly? I just think this got blown out of proportion.

It's not about people not wanting marauder hence excluding them, at least not in this particular case. As Zendae stated, anyone is welcome to come watch. However, only the people she mentioned are allowed to participate because that is the context of the event.

It is the same as saying Ma-Duk would fight in a tournament organised by Jena, for karavan, to prove his/it's value to her. Simply senseless.

Act and comment in context...

ROFL Marceline. Touche ^^

To Virg: I definitely agree that the Marauders need a lot more love Virg! Events, government meetings, etc. It's a hard life for the Maras atm. I think the event team is very overworked atm though, and plus there's the translation issue as well. They could probably benefit from more volunteers.

I like the fight club idea though!

Marauders were told we would have our own anim member.. 3 months ago... whats the point in holding a meeting with no anim team member present? We just talk about those things in guild chat..

The point is the marauders can't come for "roleplay reasons".. so what are we do to? It would be roleplay to turn up and slaughter you all whilst tagged but the amount of crying that would take place.. every homin would drown from the tears.. additionally I bet the event team would kill us with invisible people again.. what a joke.

So basically we can't attend for RP reasons and the second we do we get killed by invisible guards for "roleplay reasons".

Yeah there's no point having meetings without staff present.. none whatsoever.
i think a postion for a mara event leader is still open... heard someone got the 'job' but then couldn't do it in the end.

as for roleplaying, that's a fair point.
catch 22 unless a mara based event is organised.

Yeh we can't turn up to join in as we aren't allowed.

We can't turn up to RP ourselves in a pvp attacking manner as the event team kills us.

gg guys.

poor maras no one wants to invite them to their event...
btw would you invite the drug dealer gangsters of you city to your daughter's birthday...
But self inviting you to rush and adapt the event would effectively be part of your RP...
the faction, allegiances should allow people to have a different way of playing, not only a different sticker on the head

Anyway, why do you feel entitled to go everywhere you want ?
IRL, do you go to your neighbour party without being invited ?
Can they have a life without you nosing in ?

I sure hope not.

Why should it be different in a game ?
Stop thinking that not inviting you is spoiling your fun. Just organize stuff on your own and see how that turns up. People are not "forced" to include you in what they do, they can freely decide for themselves. This is not even a RP question.

Yeh just people soaking up anim time and generally solely excluding us (this time fyros as well). Wouldn't be so much of an issue if the anim team actually spent time on the marauders as well but seeing as we get nothing then would be great if where the anim team are actually putting their time into could be made of use to us as well..

Don't say this is a player event and the anim team aren't involved. If we turned up we would get ganked by invisible guards like at the last matis event.

Virg -- statements like that last are indefensible. Unless you have some secret line into the Event Team planning sessions, you can't know that. The last Matis event was the fashion show. Is that what you were referring to? I hadn't heard anything about disruptions or blasting Mara at that event.


I see a lot of planning on the part of Zendae to set up this event through the *player* government (and some significant degree of error in at least part of it). I see no evidence that the Event Team is involved, and certainly no evidence that it *needs* to be involved since the event uses already built in game mechanisms and already formed landscape.

Certainly the Marauders need some Event Team love, but as has been pointed out, a lot of Event Team involvement follows on planning by the players. Only a few of the events in Atys are initiated by the Event Team, and all of those are characterized by glacial slowness of planning and development. Things like the Tryker Faire, the Matis Fashion show, are driven by the players. When player involvement fails (as has apparently happened with the Beer and Water Road), the event either slows down or dies.

If you want to compare complaints, I have a number about he slowness with which the Ranger faction is being developed. It appears that we aren't even going to get a camp like the Maras have, and we still don't have access to the PR. It would be great if we had enough Event Team to handle this all, and a dozen devs to code it...but we don't.

[Long essay about RP and its proper role in Atys (neither as ruler nor as beggar to be kicked to the curb) deleted for the moment.]

Imagining events is not the problem, the problem is there are no event staff for marauders... to help instigate any event. No-one to sit down a talk through what is feasible and what is not.

Now, i'm not complaining, i'm not even complaining about not being allowed to attend the matis event. But Virg has a point; The games roleplay doesn't allow marauders to be involved "because you wouldn't invite a drug dealer to a child's party" and yet when Marauders roleplay as Marauders they get instantly wiped by some trigger-happy event team member for reason of "disrupting roleplay" - well yes! duuuh!!
ma·raud  (m-rôd)v.  ma·raud·ed, ma·raud·ing, ma·raudsv.intr.To rove and raid in search of plunder.v.tr.To raid or pillage for spoils.

Someone needs to make up their mind. Are marauders actually 'marauders' or are they meant to roleplay as spoiled children with a personality disorder and told to stand in the corner facing the wall?

Server wide events could be made incorporating the mara:
• An attack on the mara camp could be launched.
• The mara could attack a city (but, as has been mentioned, fails due to overzealous behind-the-scenes people).
• As nerwane mentioned, for Xmas a sort of hunt the present and be hunted event (if i understood that correctly).
• The mara could roleplay a Gladiator tournament (no races or creeds left out), winner gets to live without fear for a little while... or something.

None of this can happen as a proper event without the help and guidance of the event team.
Sadly, as nobody with power has bothered to write more than two sentences of lore for mara, it's easy for people the laugh at them and for the overstretched event team to turn a bilnd eye.
It's funny how these events are all roleplay but the minute someone else tries to come and play their role, it suddenly becomes a "player" event and someone elses roleplay is then not welcome.


Again, i must stress here that i'm not complaining, contrary to how it may sound. Merely pointing out flaws.

We're off topic i know.