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[OC] (Jazzy I understand that you are looking at this from a RP point of view. I spoke to you about it and tried to change your mind from a non-RP stance, for many non-RP reasons, but I saw that this was not possible. So, this time, I am trying to change the decision made by the Tryker Government using RP. I know I don't RP all the time, in fact I know only a small handfull of players who always RP. I even respect it when others want to RP (by attacking them) and when they don't want to RP (as you know when I don't attack you when you are training). I believe I have the right to try and change the governments decision through RP and I will try to do that. I know you respect others and I respect you. Also here is the link to the FTA.[OC]

As a homin, who is bound to a nation through his ancestry, poorly spoken langauge and history, I am entitled to the FTA. Marauders are not a nation. We are a multi-national organisation. As such we still belong to the original nations we were in before we took up the title "Marauder". We are anti-government.

If the Tryker Government continue with their path to break the FTA, I shall have no choice but to call forward the commission. Given the current bias circumstances against Marauders, I will have to call a special hearing, more details will be given later if this is the case. I hope we do not have to go down this path. Most of all, I hope the Tryker Government keeps to binding agreement that their ancestors signed up to in the year of 2516.

No RP isn't a crime, hats of to ppl that do heavy RP and events

I don't say kill the game or anything but why this hard stance on ppl who are mara alot of them are mara just because they been everything and are bored.
To me it feels like it's just hating for the hating yes some of them like PVP and see it as their endgame. But thats just some. Others went mara for totally different reasons some just for the heck of it others for some fun others thinking they could make a new free hominity ...

On ari kara/kami/mara/neutrals/all civs yes during normal gameplay and light events we all played toughether thats how our community was and alot of ppl liked and stayed because of that. 
Now on merged server thats not the deal anymore but still seems all the hate goes to the mara atm, everyone is friends and all that is done atm is kami/kara/civs/... trying to get mara out of game or something I don't know. Thats how I feel and can hardly call myself a real mara anymore not done anything ingame in months (if not years). I don't understand the hatred all of a sudden against from the biggest 2 factions and some smaller ones all off a sudden in force being against one small faction that isn't a treath to anyone.

On your guard killings most of the time it's some non mara boob attacking a guard by mistake or some tryker agro dragging one of the new guards from inside town to the outside onto me at the stables. Won't find many ppl attacking guards out of free will much I expect and I've spend many hour at the stables.

ps. Yes there is the mara rite but that one has been so bugged for months that 90% of them doing it never even need to kill the random FH guard

i'm not sûr at 100% Virg, but ALE (is RP because in the lore) have been signed between 4 nations representants.
and i have read ALE (thx for network-adress :) ), i report me to the first article (article 1.2).
Today marauders are ennemy of trykers (and i think noone can define really marauders, some say ennemy to nation, other say not...) so it's result that marauders are not welcome to lakes acticity!
after, if you want, you can contact me to turn this event rp!
i ask to get out federal guard, just Federal United army and if you win against, you could be on the market! just an idea like that!

to Suboxide, seeing your point of you, i think you are more Ranger that marauders... i suppose this because you only ennemy is kitin if i have understood.

i try to create some game in ryzom. i have never stop GP of one player... ask to Nizyros! with his trial! (he is free because we can't morally forbid a GP to a player. But he accept to do the rp-game paying a hard price! like a challenge for him)

and you need to know all, i'm not csr or gm. just a player who try to do live the game ... in game!
i'm ok to talk about marauders and their camp IG but i'm not The God of trykers.
but i want to explain this because i'm snip.

Nope i'm certainly not a ranger; yes they want to get rid of all kittin but they want it trough an army, no idea if they want freedom or power in the end when kittin are gone. And they just using conventional weapons given by them by the factions and the civs
I don't think you'll win with just conventional weapons against such powers mara and trytonists atleast are prepared to make sacrifices. Mara aren't scared of trying new things they invented their own tp system some have been seen playing with goo (or so has been told), don't know much about the trytonists but they are atleast after the truth aswel.

Yes mara have the same ennemy kittin it is what the mara are running from in the end. If the old lands where not kittin infested then the mara wouldn't be here. So it's natural mara want to get rid of the small bunches of kittin lingering in the new lands with who knows what weaponry they can come up with that safes us all.
Afterwards we atleast know what the mara want. And thats to expose the factions and the civ's for power hungry war mongering things they really are and to overtow them and by doing that freeing all homins from the brainwashing and their shackels. Thats how it was explained to us  by the akilla on aristople (no idea how the aniro akilla spoke since my guess it was totally different seeing how you react)

[HRP] Chers joueurs,

L'Équipe d'Animation se doit d'intervenir dans ce sujet délicat afin de rappeler certains éléments essentiels :

Importance du respect mutuel
Les joueurs RP et HRP partagent le même serveur. Certes, leur façon d'appréhender le jeu est différente, mais ce n'est pas incontournable si chacun fait des efforts. Lorsqu'un souci comme celui-ci se présente, si vous ne parvenez pas à trouver une solution en discutant sereinement  ensemble, alors nous vous conseillons de vous tourner vers un médiateur. Dans le cas présent, l'Équipe d'Animation peut être appelée en premier vu qu'il s'agit d'un problème né d'un roleplay. 

Qu'est-ce qu'un event RP ?
C'est un event dans lequel les joueurs jouent le rôle de leur personnage, à la fois de manière cohérente et dans le respect de la Lore de Ryzom. Dans ce type d'event, les amitiés entre joueurs ne doivent pas être prises en compte : c'est l'histoire du jeu et le vécu des personnages qui dictent la conduite de ces derniers.

Qu'est-ce qu'un event HRP ?
C'est un event qui n'est lié ni à la cohérence de l'histoire, ni au vécu des personnages. Un event HRP est avant tout un moment convivial partagé par tous les joueurs le désirant, sans autre but que celui de s'amuser ensemble. Dans ce type d'event, l'histoire du jeu et le vécu des personnages ne comptent pas, seule la convivialité du moment importe. 

Intervenir de façon hors role play (HRP) dans un event roleplay (RP) est tout aussi irrespectueux que condamner le sens roleplay (RP) d'un event hors role play (HRP). 

Qu'est-ce qu'une assemblée et quelle est la portée de ses décisions ?
Chaque nation est représentée par des assemblées constituées de joueurs et dirigées par un animateur. Ces assemblées se réunissent régulièrement et peuvent édicter des "lois" sur leur territoire ; ces "lois", sont souvent proposées par les joueurs eux-mêmes et doivent être validées par l'animateur (qui en réfère à l'Animation), ce qui constitue un garde-fou et l'assurance du respect de la Lore. 
Une assemblée est un event RP. Ses "lois" n'ont qu'une portée roleplay.

Que nous apprend la Lore sur les Maraudeurs ?
Lors du premier Essaim (bien avant vos personnages), une grande partie des homins, aidée des Puissances, a pu fuir les Anciennes Terres et recréer des nations dans les Nouvelles. 
Les homins restés bloqués sur les Anciennes Terres ont survécu difficilement au milieu des kitins. Un homin, Melkiar, les a uni sous le nom de Maraudeurs ; pour Melkiar et les siens, les homins des Nouvelles Terres et les Puissances les ont abandonnés aux kitins. C'est pourquoi ils sont avides de revanche et de vengeance.
Les Maraudeurs des Anciennes Terres ont recruté sur les Nouvelles Terres des homins qui avaient de la colère à exprimer, les ont endoctrinés pour servir leurs plans. Parmi ces nouveaux Maraudeurs, on peut trouver des idéalistes qui croient vraiment au discours de  Melkiar, mais aussi des opportunistes qui cherchent à profiter de sa  puissance et de sa technologie, ainsi que divers réprouvés des nations  qui évitent ainsi la prison et peuvent donner libre cours à leurs pulsions guerrières. ( http://atys.ryzom.com/projects/3/wiki/L_maraudeurs_civilisation ) 
( http://app.ryzom.com/app_lore/index.php?page=/projects/pubfr/wiki /L_Maraudeurs_civilisation )

De façon RP, les Maraudeurs sur les nouvelles Terres ne sont pas des gentils, mais au contraire les méchants de l'histoire, des agitateurs, des criminels. Il est possible que parmi ces Maraudeurs, certains doutent, aient un autre point de vue, mais les Maraudeurs sont vus par les Nations comme des gens méchants, des bandits qui sont malvenus et qu'on tente de chasser à coup de piques quand ils sont repérés.

Cela est d'ailleurs appuyé par le gameplay qui demande à tout Maraudeur d'être haï par chaque nation et religion (renommée très négative), puis d'assassiner six homins, avant de passer son rite pour être accepté comme Maraudeur des Nouvelles Terres.

Maraudeurs et marché tryker
Dans ce contexte roleplay, qu'une nation (ici la nation tryker) crée des lois déclarant que les Maraudeurs sont malvenus sur ses terres, et que s'ils viennent au marché (event organisé de façon RP), ils seront chassés, est légitime, logique et cohérent. 
Dans ce contexte roleplay également, le fait que les Maraudeurs se désintéressent ou violent les lois d'une nation qu'ils ne reconnaissent pas est également légitime, logique et cohérent.
Par conséquent, si des Maraudeurs viennent sur le marché de Fairhaven malgré l'interdiction, il est normal que les gardes essaient de les chasser, voire tentent de les tuer, et que les marchands refusent de leur vendre quoi  que ce soit (à moins d'échanger leur vie contre les marchandises ... ).

Concrètement, rien dans le gameplay n'interdira aux joueurs de Maraudeurs de venir au marché ; il sera cependant demandé aux joueurs de respecter le côté roleplay de l'event, et de ne pas le perturber en harcelant via le PVP (il est par contre possible d'échanger quelques mots, de se battre un peu, puis de repartir).

Et le droit de jouer comme on veut et où on veut ?
Ici encore, tout est une question de respect. La liberté des uns s'arrête où commence celle des autres. Les joueurs de Maraudeurs ont le droit de participer à un marché. Que ce soit pour des raisons gameplay ou roleplay. Mais autant voir les Maraudeurs faire quelques courts raids RP sur le marché en représailles serait logique, autant voir la bataille dériver sur le plan HRP et devenir une bataille verbale entre joueurs, allant jusqu'à exclure des joueurs d'un futur event HRP, ne l'est pas. Cela ne serait que le début d'une escalade sans fin et nuisible à tous.
Pourquoi ne pas, par exemple, profiter du Marché Noir qui, lui, se veut HRP et donc ouvert à tous ? Ou préparer un event RP "Mister Maraudeur", excluant tout participant non maraudeur ?

Que faire si le conflit ne s'apaise pas ?
Si malgré cela, les choses continuent de déraper, l'Équipe de Support est là pour conseiller et veiller au bon respect des règles de courtoisies. Le cas échéant, elle peut être amenée à prendre des sanctions allant de l'avertissement au ban définitif, selon le dossier du joueur.


Nous espérons que ces précisions pourront vous aider.

Et n'oubliez pas que Ryzom est un jeu ! [/HRP]

 
the link only says this about their aggression: Marauders of the Old Lands vehemently reject both the Kamis and the Karavan and will fight those who support either religion

it does not say this:
Aris maurauders did not wait in the pvp zones of Prime Roots to kill homins, they were not massively villains of the story, agitators, and criminals

I am concerned that this hatred of them in role play clashes with the way they were seen on Aris server

[OOC] Several posts have been moved towards a new topic. [/OOC]
[HRP] Certains posts ont été déplacés vers un nouveau sujet.[/HRP]

Marauders

Tamarea thank you for your post however I personally feel that it was written with a complete bias towards roleplayers. Firstly I would like to quote you twice:

1. [FH] market (a RP event)

2. A non-RP event is above all a good time shared by all players who want nothing but to have fun together. During such an event, the game's story and the experiences of the characters are of no importance. Only the feel of the moment matters.

These two statements are complete utter contradictions, at the very least in reference to the FHF experienced on Ari. You talk of respect but where was the respect offered to the players who were on Ari when the Tryker RPers hijacked the FHF, twisted it into a RP event and solely excluded the marauders from it.

I will add a third quote which I feel will sum up my thoughts on the situation at hand, and reflects many others as well:

3. [It is] disrespectful [to] roleplay at a non-roleplay event.

I don't think I need to mention the particular CoC you have quoted and the thought that what some players have done could be considered against it...

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I have spoken to many Ari players and even ones who don't usually agree with me all the time and many have backed up exactly what I believe; That the FH fair on ari was not a RP event, instead it was an event for the server. In fact, let me quote a friend:

"FHF is not in my mind a Tryker event, but an Atysian event put on by the Trykers. That being the case, all homins should be welcome. In addition is is an event with a very LOW RP factor".

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Your own personal take on marauders is far too outdated. Many old players roleplayed as such and where are they now? They all left. Instead, Syndicate has now attempted to revitalise the Marauder faction, many players even leaving their own faction, their lovely hard fought and won q250 OPs and sadly some friends as well. This was, for me at least, a huge sacrifice. One that I took upon myself to make for the better of the game.

The marauders currently have, as I am sure you are aware, no meetings, no events, no missions and certainly no RP made for us. I understand this is supposed to come, but that was several months ago. Instead everything we do, we make up ourselves. Any other events that are made can be considered a little treat for us, something we can do without having to put any effort into creating it. So I am sure you can imagine my reaction when I read that I will not be allowed into the FHF, a server-wide non-roleplay event. The most RP that has actually ever been brought to an Ari FHF was a little speech I once made about tryker freedom, it lasted less than 2 minutes and that was about it.

There are little events as it is these days- do we really need to start excluding people from it? I know many of the higher-powers that be are set on removing the marauders from the game and I can only imagine their delight when CSN left but the marauders bring a much needed third point of the triangle to OP wars. This game, despite much outspoken hate against PVP, would be dead without it.

I do not roleplay much, but when I do it is nothing like how CSN used to roleplay. Think about what we have seen recently- the Karas and Marauders fighting together at an OP battle. The game has changed and the roleplay adapts.

I won't delve much into the roleplay that I personally follow but it can be found here as are several links below it. Just have a thought for a second, I was in another faction first, like many other marauders, am I just meant to suddenly start roleplaying that I was left behind in another land and hate the people who deserted me? Sounds stupid to me.

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To expand on my views of a "nation", one which no one has actually even attempted to properly speak against even though choosing to openly dismiss it. The marauders are an organisation, we are NOT a nation. We are actually, a multi-national organization. Although we may not like the governments that run those particular nations we are still bound to the nations through many particular ties. If you disagree feel free to state reasons why, but stop dismissing this without actually thinking about it.

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I feel it is a real shame that it had to come down to massive discussions on the forums and on uni- I believe that I tried to approach the situation with both OOC and RP reasons for change, and even offered a RP reason why we should be able to attend the fair.

What solution did you have in mind?

Trying to put together an Aris history for mara homins ... also trying to recover from some suggestions from Aniro homins about what should have happened to Nizyros

And I think we have to discuss this Virg - because this seems a big clash between the Aris and Aniro community - and again we are doing this on role play forum ... oh well

Well when a previously seen (on Ari) non-RP event ends up being turned into a RP event (non-RP->RP) one can only assume that people will get angry and try and turn it back around (RP->non-RP). The shame is that it is on the RP forum in the first place where imo it doesn't belong (Ref: Tamarea's definitions).

I had a little read on Nizy's case and could not quite believe that they wanted to completely stop him from playing on that account all together. After X many years of work.. Well in doing so they aren't really doing any positive promotion (imo) for RP. "Hey come RP and we will try to stop you playing on your main toon!"

Hopefully we can find a fix but all of my propositions have been turned down without much reason or rhyme.

Makes me think we should have a warning for new refugees - as in potential subbed homins - Beware what race and alligence you take - it makes a huge difference to your experience of the game - and to be honest I find that very sad