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[OC] (Jazzy I understand that you are looking at this from a RP point of view. I spoke to you about it and tried to change your mind from a non-RP stance, for many non-RP reasons, but I saw that this was not possible. So, this time, I am trying to change the decision made by the Tryker Government using RP. I know I don't RP all the time, in fact I know only a small handfull of players who always RP. I even respect it when others want to RP (by attacking them) and when they don't want to RP (as you know when I don't attack you when you are training). I believe I have the right to try and change the governments decision through RP and I will try to do that. I know you respect others and I respect you. Also here is the link to the FTA.[OC]

As a homin, who is bound to a nation through his ancestry, poorly spoken langauge and history, I am entitled to the FTA. Marauders are not a nation. We are a multi-national organisation. As such we still belong to the original nations we were in before we took up the title "Marauder". We are anti-government.

If the Tryker Government continue with their path to break the FTA, I shall have no choice but to call forward the commission. Given the current bias circumstances against Marauders, I will have to call a special hearing, more details will be given later if this is the case. I hope we do not have to go down this path. Most of all, I hope the Tryker Government keeps to binding agreement that their ancestors signed up to in the year of 2516.

No RP isn't a crime, hats of to ppl that do heavy RP and events

I don't say kill the game or anything but why this hard stance on ppl who are mara alot of them are mara just because they been everything and are bored.
To me it feels like it's just hating for the hating yes some of them like PVP and see it as their endgame. But thats just some. Others went mara for totally different reasons some just for the heck of it others for some fun others thinking they could make a new free hominity ...

On ari kara/kami/mara/neutrals/all civs yes during normal gameplay and light events we all played toughether thats how our community was and alot of ppl liked and stayed because of that. 
Now on merged server thats not the deal anymore but still seems all the hate goes to the mara atm, everyone is friends and all that is done atm is kami/kara/civs/... trying to get mara out of game or something I don't know. Thats how I feel and can hardly call myself a real mara anymore not done anything ingame in months (if not years). I don't understand the hatred all of a sudden against from the biggest 2 factions and some smaller ones all off a sudden in force being against one small faction that isn't a treath to anyone.

On your guard killings most of the time it's some non mara boob attacking a guard by mistake or some tryker agro dragging one of the new guards from inside town to the outside onto me at the stables. Won't find many ppl attacking guards out of free will much I expect and I've spend many hour at the stables.

ps. Yes there is the mara rite but that one has been so bugged for months that 90% of them doing it never even need to kill the random FH guard

i'm not sûr at 100% Virg, but ALE (is RP because in the lore) have been signed between 4 nations representants.
and i have read ALE (thx for network-adress :) ), i report me to the first article (article 1.2).
Today marauders are ennemy of trykers (and i think noone can define really marauders, some say ennemy to nation, other say not...) so it's result that marauders are not welcome to lakes acticity!
after, if you want, you can contact me to turn this event rp!
i ask to get out federal guard, just Federal United army and if you win against, you could be on the market! just an idea like that!

to Suboxide, seeing your point of you, i think you are more Ranger that marauders... i suppose this because you only ennemy is kitin if i have understood.

i try to create some game in ryzom. i have never stop GP of one player... ask to Nizyros! with his trial! (he is free because we can't morally forbid a GP to a player. But he accept to do the rp-game paying a hard price! like a challenge for him)

and you need to know all, i'm not csr or gm. just a player who try to do live the game ... in game!
i'm ok to talk about marauders and their camp IG but i'm not The God of trykers.
but i want to explain this because i'm snip.

Nope i'm certainly not a ranger; yes they want to get rid of all kittin but they want it trough an army, no idea if they want freedom or power in the end when kittin are gone. And they just using conventional weapons given by them by the factions and the civs
I don't think you'll win with just conventional weapons against such powers mara and trytonists atleast are prepared to make sacrifices. Mara aren't scared of trying new things they invented their own tp system some have been seen playing with goo (or so has been told), don't know much about the trytonists but they are atleast after the truth aswel.

Yes mara have the same ennemy kittin it is what the mara are running from in the end. If the old lands where not kittin infested then the mara wouldn't be here. So it's natural mara want to get rid of the small bunches of kittin lingering in the new lands with who knows what weaponry they can come up with that safes us all.
Afterwards we atleast know what the mara want. And thats to expose the factions and the civ's for power hungry war mongering things they really are and to overtow them and by doing that freeing all homins from the brainwashing and their shackels. Thats how it was explained to us  by the akilla on aristople (no idea how the aniro akilla spoke since my guess it was totally different seeing how you react)

[OOC] Liebe Spielerinnen und Spieler,

Das Eventteam sieht sich gezwungen, im unten geschilderten Fall einzuschreiten und an gewisse grundlegende Tatsachen zu erinnern:

Bedeutung des gegenseitigen Respekts
Spieler, die Rollenspiel betreiben und solche, die OOC spielen, teilen sich den gleichen Server. Gewiss ist ihre Art, an das Spiel heranzugehen, verschieden; aber sie ist nicht unvereinbar, wenn jeder dazu Anstrengungen unternimmt. Wenn sich ein Problem ergibt, und ihr in ernsthafter gemeinsamer Diskussion keine Lösung finden könnt, dann raten wir euch, euch an einen Vermittler zu wenden. Im vorliegenden Falle könnte zunächst das Eventteam angerufen werden, da es sich um ein im Umfeld des Rollenspiels entstandenes Problem handelt.

Was ist ein Rollenspiel-Event?
Es handelt sich um ein Event, in dem die Spieler die Rolle ihres Spielcharakters spielen, im Zusammenhang mit seiner Geschichte und unter Respektierung der Lore von Ryzom. Bei dieser Art von Event dürfen Freundschaften zwischen den (RL-)Spielern keine Bedeutung haben: es ist die Geschichte der Spielcharaktere, die deren Verhalten diktiert.

Was ist ein OOC-Event?
Das ist ein Event, das weder in den geschichtlichen Zusammenhang der Lore von Ryzom eingebettet ist, noch von den Spielcharakteren gelebt wird. Ein OOC-Event ist in erster Linie ein Moment des Zusammenlebens, an dem alle teilnehmen können, die es wünschen, ohne ein anderes Ziel, als sich gemeinsam zu vergnügen. Bei einem solchen Event zählen die Geschichte des Spiels und die Lebensgeschichte der Spielercharaktere nicht, sondern nur das Gemeinschaftserlebnis des Events.

In OOC-Weise in ein Rollenspiel-Event einzugreifen, ist genauso respektlos, wie den (mangelnden) rollenspielerischen Sinn eines OOC-Events zu verdammen.

Was ist eine Versammlung und wie weit tragen ihre Entscheidungen?
Jede Nation ist vertreten durch Versammlungen, die durch die Spieler konstituiert und durch ein Mitglied des Eventteams geleitet werden. Diese Versammlungen treffen sich regelmäßig und können auf ihrem Gebiet "Gesetze" beschließen; solche "Gesetze" werden häufig von Spielern vorgeschlagen und müssen durch das die Versammlung leitende ET-Mitglied (das sich damit an das Eventteam wendet) bestätigt werden, was eine Sicherheitsmaßnahme zur Sicherstellung der Übereinstimmung mit der Lore darstellt. Eine Versammlung ist ein Rollenspiel-Event, ihre "Gesetze" haben lediglich Geltung im Rahmen des Rollenspiels.

Was sagt uns die Lore über die Marodeure?
Während des Ersten Großen Schwarms (lange vor der Geburt unserer Spielcharaktere) konnte ein großer Teil der Homins mit Unterstützung der Mächte aus den Alten Landen fliehen und die Nationen in den Neuen Territorien wiederbegründen. Die Homins, die sich in den Alten Landen blockiert fanden, überlebten unter schwierigen Bedingungen inmitten der Kitins. Ein Homin namens Melkiar hat sie unter dem Namen "Marodeure" geeint; für Melkiar und die Seinen haben die Mächte und die Homins der Neuen Länder sie verraten und den Kitins ausgeliefert. Deshalb sind sie begierig auf Rache und Vergeltung. 
Die Marodeure der Alten Lande haben in den Neuen Ländern Homins rekrutiert, die voller Zorn waren, und sie indoktriniert, ihren Plänen zu dienen. Unter den neuen Marodeuren kann man Idealisten finden, die die Ausführungen von Melkiar wirklich glauben, aber auch Opportunisten, die von seiner Macht und Technologie profitieren wollen, ebenso wie Ausgestoßene der Nationen, die so dem Gefängnis entgangen sind und ihren kriegerischen Antrieben freien Lauf lassen können. ( http://app.ryzom.com/app_lore/index.php?page=/projects/pubde/wiki /L_Marodeur_Zivilisation )

In ihrem Rollenspiel sind Marodeure nicht freundlich, vielmehr die Bösewichter der Geschichte, die Agitatoren, die Kriminellen. Es ist möglich, dass unter den Marodeuren einige Zweifel hegen, einen anderen Standpunkt einnehmen; aber in den Nationen werden die Marodeure als schlechte Homins und Banditen betrachtet, die unwillkommen sind und die man mit Waffengewalt zu jagen sucht, wenn sie auftauchen.

Das wird auch durch das Gameplay unterstützt, das von jedem Marodeur fordert, um bei allen Nationen und Religionen verhasst zu sein (sehr negative Ruhmstufe), erst sechs Homins zu ermorden, ehe er seinen Ritus ablegen und als Marodeur der Neuen Länder akzeptiert werden kann.

Marodeure und der Tryker-Markt
In diesem Zusammenhang des Rollenspiels ist es legitim, logisch und folgerichtig, wenn eine Nation (hier die Nation der Tryker) Gesetze beschließt, nach denen die Marodeure auf ihrem Gebiet unerwünscht sind, und wenn sie auf dem Markt (einem Rollenspiel-Event) erscheinen, sie angegriffen werden.
In diesem Rollenspielkontext ist ebenso legitim, logisch und folgerichtig, dass sich die Marodeure um die Gesetze eines Landes nicht kümmern, sie nicht anerkennen und übertreten.
Konsequenterweise, wenn Marodeure trotz des Verbots auf dem Markt erscheinen, ist es normal, dass die Wachen versuchen, sie zu verjagen und zu töten, und dass die Händler sich weigern, ihnen etwas zu verkaufen (oder ihre Waren mit ihrem Leben verteidigen ..).

Konkret gibt es nichts im Gameplay, das es den Spielern der Marodeure verbieten würde, auf dem Markt zu erscheinen; es muss dann von allen Spielern verlangt werden, die Rollenspielseite des Events zu respektieren, und nicht mittels des PvP zu stören oder zu belästigen (es ist hingegen möglich, einige Wortwechsel zu vollführen, sich ein wenig zu schlagen, und dann zurückzuziehen).

Und das Recht, zu spielen, wie man will und wo man will?
Auch hier wieder ist alles eine Frage des Respekts. Die Freiheit der einen endet an der Grenze der Freiheit der anderen. Die Marodeurspieler haben das Recht, an einem Markt teilzunehmen, sei es aus Gründen des Rollenspiels oder des Gameplays. Soweit es sich um kurze Überfälle auf den Markt durch die Marodeure und Maßnahmen zu deren Abwehr handelt, ist das logisch; aber wenn der Kampf sich auf den OOC-Bereich ausdehnt und zu einer allgemeinen verbalen Schlacht zwischen Spielern wird, mit der Drohung, Spieler deshalb von künftigen OOC-Events auszuschließen, ist es nicht akzeptabel. Das wäre der Beginn einer endlosen Eskalation und schädlich für alle.
Warum nicht, beispielsweise, am "Schwarzmarkt" teilnehmen, der vom Selbstverständnis OOC und offen für alle ist? Oder ein Event "Mister Marodeur" auszurichten, das per se Teilnehmer ausschließt, die nicht Marodeure sind? 

Was tun, wenn der Konflikt sich nicht beruhigt?
Wenn dennoch die Dinge fehlgehen, ist das CSR-Team dazu da, zu beraten und für die Einhaltung der Regeln der Höflichkeit zu sorgen. Gegebenenfalls müssen dann Maßregeln von der Verwarnung bis hin zum endgültigen Bann, abhängig von Verhalten und Vorgeschichte der Betreffenden, ergriffen werden.


Wir hoffen, dass diese Klarstellungen hilfreich waren.

Und vergesst nicht, dass Ryzom ein Spiel ist! [/OOC]

 
the link only says this about their aggression: Marauders of the Old Lands vehemently reject both the Kamis and the Karavan and will fight those who support either religion

it does not say this:
Aris maurauders did not wait in the pvp zones of Prime Roots to kill homins, they were not massively villains of the story, agitators, and criminals

I am concerned that this hatred of them in role play clashes with the way they were seen on Aris server

[OOC] Several posts have been moved towards a new topic. [/OOC]
[HRP] Certains posts ont été déplacés vers un nouveau sujet.[/HRP]

Marauders

Tamarea thank you for your post however I personally feel that it was written with a complete bias towards roleplayers. Firstly I would like to quote you twice:

1. [FH] market (a RP event)

2. A non-RP event is above all a good time shared by all players who want nothing but to have fun together. During such an event, the game's story and the experiences of the characters are of no importance. Only the feel of the moment matters.

These two statements are complete utter contradictions, at the very least in reference to the FHF experienced on Ari. You talk of respect but where was the respect offered to the players who were on Ari when the Tryker RPers hijacked the FHF, twisted it into a RP event and solely excluded the marauders from it.

I will add a third quote which I feel will sum up my thoughts on the situation at hand, and reflects many others as well:

3. [It is] disrespectful [to] roleplay at a non-roleplay event.

I don't think I need to mention the particular CoC you have quoted and the thought that what some players have done could be considered against it...

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I have spoken to many Ari players and even ones who don't usually agree with me all the time and many have backed up exactly what I believe; That the FH fair on ari was not a RP event, instead it was an event for the server. In fact, let me quote a friend:

"FHF is not in my mind a Tryker event, but an Atysian event put on by the Trykers. That being the case, all homins should be welcome. In addition is is an event with a very LOW RP factor".

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Your own personal take on marauders is far too outdated. Many old players roleplayed as such and where are they now? They all left. Instead, Syndicate has now attempted to revitalise the Marauder faction, many players even leaving their own faction, their lovely hard fought and won q250 OPs and sadly some friends as well. This was, for me at least, a huge sacrifice. One that I took upon myself to make for the better of the game.

The marauders currently have, as I am sure you are aware, no meetings, no events, no missions and certainly no RP made for us. I understand this is supposed to come, but that was several months ago. Instead everything we do, we make up ourselves. Any other events that are made can be considered a little treat for us, something we can do without having to put any effort into creating it. So I am sure you can imagine my reaction when I read that I will not be allowed into the FHF, a server-wide non-roleplay event. The most RP that has actually ever been brought to an Ari FHF was a little speech I once made about tryker freedom, it lasted less than 2 minutes and that was about it.

There are little events as it is these days- do we really need to start excluding people from it? I know many of the higher-powers that be are set on removing the marauders from the game and I can only imagine their delight when CSN left but the marauders bring a much needed third point of the triangle to OP wars. This game, despite much outspoken hate against PVP, would be dead without it.

I do not roleplay much, but when I do it is nothing like how CSN used to roleplay. Think about what we have seen recently- the Karas and Marauders fighting together at an OP battle. The game has changed and the roleplay adapts.

I won't delve much into the roleplay that I personally follow but it can be found here as are several links below it. Just have a thought for a second, I was in another faction first, like many other marauders, am I just meant to suddenly start roleplaying that I was left behind in another land and hate the people who deserted me? Sounds stupid to me.

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To expand on my views of a "nation", one which no one has actually even attempted to properly speak against even though choosing to openly dismiss it. The marauders are an organisation, we are NOT a nation. We are actually, a multi-national organization. Although we may not like the governments that run those particular nations we are still bound to the nations through many particular ties. If you disagree feel free to state reasons why, but stop dismissing this without actually thinking about it.

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I feel it is a real shame that it had to come down to massive discussions on the forums and on uni- I believe that I tried to approach the situation with both OOC and RP reasons for change, and even offered a RP reason why we should be able to attend the fair.

What solution did you have in mind?

Trying to put together an Aris history for mara homins ... also trying to recover from some suggestions from Aniro homins about what should have happened to Nizyros

And I think we have to discuss this Virg - because this seems a big clash between the Aris and Aniro community - and again we are doing this on role play forum ... oh well

Well when a previously seen (on Ari) non-RP event ends up being turned into a RP event (non-RP->RP) one can only assume that people will get angry and try and turn it back around (RP->non-RP). The shame is that it is on the RP forum in the first place where imo it doesn't belong (Ref: Tamarea's definitions).

I had a little read on Nizy's case and could not quite believe that they wanted to completely stop him from playing on that account all together. After X many years of work.. Well in doing so they aren't really doing any positive promotion (imo) for RP. "Hey come RP and we will try to stop you playing on your main toon!"

Hopefully we can find a fix but all of my propositions have been turned down without much reason or rhyme.

Makes me think we should have a warning for new refugees - as in potential subbed homins - Beware what race and alligence you take - it makes a huge difference to your experience of the game - and to be honest I find that very sad