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#67 Added by Bitttymacod 10 years ago [en]

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Ingfarah, Virg --

Yes, as has been clear from my previous comments, I would disagree that +50 across the board is not neutral. Remember that Fame is not so much how a homin regards the Nation or Civilisation, but how they regard him or her. Neutral means that we don't take sides between the PTBs.

In a war a "neutral nation" is one that is not at war. Correspondingly a "neutral homin" is one who does not attack any of the nations (or Powers), but is regarded as a friend by all.

Ingfarah: The Rangers will never be a true Faction in the game sense: they can't be. They are an organization, just as the Marauders are an organization. However, no homin with sense would invite a sworn enemy of his Nation or Religion into his household, but to invite a friend? That is just common sense. In game terms, an un-aligned ("neutral") guild would be ideal to invite Rangers into, but an aligned guild might do so as well.

If the question hinges too much for too many people on the use of the word "neutral" getting confused between a gameplay term and common English usage, then I reluctantly suggest the term "positive" for the fame looked for in a Ranger applicant. I am reluctant since I see no reason not to use "neutral".

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#68 Added by Tamarea 10 years ago [en]

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When the marauder rite has been added, there was not any specific "marauder fame": the Marauders were recognized by their all very negative fames only and not by a specific marauder positive one. This has caused problems with the marauder guards, who didn't recognized the Marauders so didn't defended them. Since then, the gameplay has been changed and a specific Marauders positive fame has been added: any Marauder has got a >50 Marauder fame now. That's the reason why the marauder guards protect Marauders now: they check their Marauder fame.

The old system (Marauder = all negative fames and not = marauder fame>50) is also the reason why there still have a "bug" with the guilds, who don't check the new "marauder fame" for the moment so don't recognize a Marauder and only see him as a factions-neutral and civilizations-neutral. This has to be fixed. A Marauder shouldn't be able to join a non marauder guild, as a Kara homin can't join a Kami one or a Fyros homin can't join a Matis one.

This old system (Marauder = all negative fames and not = marauder fame>50) causes also a technical problem with the forums: Marauders should not have access to "Factions-neutrals" forum neither to "Civilization-neutrals" one because they are not neutrals, they are "Marauders". This will have to be fixed too.

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#69 Added by Binarabi 10 years ago [en]

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I am probably in the only guild that is affected by this - thanks a bunch, eh, enjoy "your" game

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#70 Added by Talkirc 10 years ago [en]

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We are One will also suffer from this as well bina, there are a few other guilds that will suffer as well, i see another loss of players in the future because of yet another limit being imposed. some players go mara simply for the bulk free tp's, so how about making that equal, remove the .25 bulk from each of the kami/karavan teleports. then maybe some will not make the change....

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#71 Added by Binarabi 10 years ago [en]

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Cannot reply, Talk, and remain civil - the 3 marauders in my guild - one leaves in February, the other 2 appear to have pretty much left anyway, though still subscribed at the moment

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#72 Added by Bitttymacod 10 years ago [en]

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You know, if someone is going Mara simply for the "bulk-free tps", they can just go something else and get the "minor amount of bulk" tps of the Kami or Kara. That's not a roleplay decision and shouldn't cause them to leave. What I wonder about is why a guild with Marauders in it would want to align K/K or Nation.

All I can say is that any Marauders who are (somehow) not PvP players are welcome to join Phaedreas Tears, a neutral guild. (They would have to swear that they would be helpful to all, too.) There is no indication in Tamarea's post that they will not be allowed to join neutral guilds. In fact I would suggest that truly neutral guilds *ought* to be allowed to recruit anyone (which they cannot at the moment).

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#73 Added by Talkirc 10 years ago [en]

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there's a point in your last post bittty that i like and agree with, something along the lines of a guild that would willingly allow all types of players in at once, that would be the only way to be a truely neutral guild without prejudice, one where EVERYONE could be a member. personally i like that, then there'd be something for everyone.

besides bittty, the bulk aspect, i'm saying that on the grounds of "where is the balance", since this is an unfair advantage in terms of bag space (even keeping one tp of each alter has an affect.) i would like to invest 10m dappers on tp's so i don't have to rebuy them all the time (similar to the fact that a mara can buy 10m dappers worth of tp's and not waste ANY bulk.) i'm complaining about this because it's a fact. (tp's are the only real dapper sink in game atm)

well that's my two dappers.

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#74 Added by Maxxye 10 years ago [fr]

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Tamarea (atys)

When the marauder rite has been added, there was not any specific "marauder fame": the Marauders were recognized by their all very negative fames only and not by a specific marauder positive one. This has caused problems with the marauder guards, who didn't recognized the Marauders so didn't defended them. Since then, the gameplay has been changed and a specific Marauders positive fame has been added: any Marauder has got a >50 Marauder fame now. That's the reason why the marauder guards protect Marauders now: they check their Marauder fame.

The old system (Marauder = all negative fames and not = marauder fame>50) is also the reason why there still have a "bug" with the guilds, who don't check the new "marauder fame" for the moment so don't recognize a Marauder and only see him as a factions-neutral and civilizations-neutral. This has to be fixed. A Marauder shouldn't be able to join a non marauder guild, as a Kara homin can't join a Kami one or a Fyros homin can't join a Matis one.

This old system (Marauder = all negative fames and not = marauder fame>50) causes also a technical problem with the forums: Marauders should not have access to "Factions-neutrals" forum neither to "Civilization-neutrals" one because they are not neutrals, they are "Marauders". This will have to be fixed too.

En parlant de ça tiens, vous avez toujours le contenu de mon mail de .. C'était quand déjà ? Disons un peu plus de deux mois maintenant. J'imagine que je vais passer un peu sur l'irc pour demander quoi, un de ces 4.

#75 Added by Marceline 10 years ago [en]

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ok, so now the neutral forums have disappeared for mara's. how long, roughly, will it be until they can't be in a non-mara guild?

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#76 Added by Binarabi 10 years ago [en]

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Aren't the dev's lovely in doing it all so quick - for the ***** *********

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#77 Added by Virg 10 years ago [fr]

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Oh bina I had great fun in working out what you wrote.. it took me all of 5 seconds :P

It would be great if work was put into improving marauder game play rather than just piling on restrictions. The anti-marauder guards are a key example of restriction whilst offering nothing but an annoyance to many maruaders. Perhaps if these guards were made interactive they could actually be a good thing for the marauders.

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#78 Added by Arugula 10 years ago [fr]

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I wonder why there is no mention of this "problem" on the Dev Roadmap, yet it seems to be getting fixed very quickly. When was the mara rite first introduced, 2 years ago? So, we have known about it for that long, and haven't acknowledged it until recently. Now, it totally skips the dev roadmap, and we are fixing it ASAP even though it doesn't give anyone a clear (or unclear for that matter) advantage over anyone else, but will certainly disadvantage the tiny handful of people the "fix" will affect.

As Marce pointed out, we can no longer see the civ/faction neutral forums, am I to assume that soon I'll log in and just be guildless, kicked by the development team from the guild I created, the guild who asked me to come back AFTER I took the Mara rite?

Can we please get a time frame so that we might set things in order before it happens?

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#79 Added by Tamarea 10 years ago [en]

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This will be announced before to be done, of course. The date isn't scheduled for the moment.

About the forum changes, they are part of the current merge and reorganization of the forums.

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#80 Added by Tamarea 10 years ago [en]

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Virg (atys)

Perhaps if these guards were made interactive they could actually be a good thing for the marauders.

We are looking at this idea but it would be interesting to have more opitnions about it.

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