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#38 [en] 

I think also this has to be clarified.

A patriot may be close friend with zorai, he cannot enter a zorai guild, while a marauder can.

Nothing can prevent you subtle way of interpreting the marauder's lore. But it has to be in the same gameplay limits than others.

OR ... free all the limitations. In a way it could be more realistic, but it's a high risk to flatten the game.

Maybe the guild fame could be more usefull in game's mechanics. And mixed guild would have strong penalty on it's fame, preventing them to do this without a deep willing.
For exemple the guild fame could influence the price to declare op war. This is just a exemple, and not enough to my point of view.

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#39 [fr] 

Ah ... C'était mieux avant quand même !

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#40 [fr] 

I have taken the time to write an in-depth coverage of what roleplay I choose to follow. I actually think this roleplay is far less superficial than many of the "hardcore" roleplayers. I do not follow the lore like I bible but I do not think the lore should be followed like a bible- this is a sandbox game. Do not tell others how to play with their sand- essentially you are trying to impose your own RP restrictions on others- others who aren't even in the same faction as you! It is ridiculous! (I know I have recently asked Zendae to change the RP of an event but that is an entirely different matter, one OC, and I will not go into that discussion here).

Have a think of what a "lore" actually is. It is not written in stone and it certainly is not something to be followed down to the last word. I think you guys get way to hung up on the lore- it is not a rulebook! Have a look at a few definitions online and maybe then you might understand more.

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#41 [fr] 

Bonjour,

je pense, que si on se place sur un plan Strictement RP on peut envisager d'utiliser les mots "racisme" et "génocide".
Toutefois, je suis d’accord, quand on utilise abusivement un mot il s'use et perd de sa force. Aussi, devons nous user avec prudence et beaucoup de circonspection de ces deux mots...

Aussi, si on se place sur un plan strictement RP:
l'équilibre RP/GP est quelque chose de difficile à trouver je le sais bien...
Aussi, soyons tolérants... mais n'abusons pas de la tolérance, car l’extrémisme adore la tolérance des autres qu'il sait parfaitement exploiter à son avantage. L'histoire et le présent regorgent malheureusement d'exemples qui en témoignent, je parle ici de la vraie vie avec des morts et de humains brisés sans possibilité de rez ou de rename...

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#42 [fr] 

Sinon, je suis plutôt d'accord avec Maximus. Et c'est bien trop rare pour ne pas le prendre en considération ! Ne jouant plus depuis plus d'un an, c'est quand même assez frustrant de voir que rien n'a changé, voir que les choses ont empiré.

Je souhaite bien du courage à ceux qui essayent de continuer à jouer dans l'esprit d'Aniro, cela ne doit pas être évident tous les jours.

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#43 [en] 

Marceline (atys)
Wait, so it's a case of 'them and us'?.

Not really them & us, more.. the way to play
Marceline (atys)
This discussion is over then... we will continue to play however we like as you will, in turn, play however you like.

That's it ! Just play as you want and let people say what they want ( well in a respectfull way of course !)
Only two things could change that, open another server (no need to say why or for who ) or close the game ( i don't like the 2sd one !)
:)

#44 [en] 

Maxxye (atys)
That's it ! Just play as you want and let people say what they want ( well in a respectfull way of course !) :)

works for me :) 

Maxxye (atys)
Only two things could change that, open another server (no need to say why or for who ) or close the game ( i don't like the 2sd one !)

erm... yeah... i'd like to avoid the second one if possible.

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#45 [en] 

Just a little word on here to say how I consider things here.

Kamis can't join Kara guilds. Marauders can join any guild. Neutrals can join any guild.

A neutral's "ideal" fames is +50 everywhere: basically, supportive of everybody. Ideal between quotation marks because different roleplays may induce very different fames.

A marauder's ideal fames is -100 everywhere, but at least under -42 because of the marauder rite. Making them ennemies of every state. From a logical point of view, if Karas and Kamis can't mix, then Marauders shouldn't be able to mix either. Heck, Kamis and Karas can't even enter neutral guilds.

It is not racism, fascism or whateverism driving those who request marauders not to be able to guild in non marauder guilds, and maybe they're adressing the topic in a way making the marauders feel like they're singled out and mistreated. The fact is, though, that it's closer to asking equality in the way Marauders, Kamis and Karas said are treated.

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#46 [en] 

That said: there is is till a very long road to equality. And most of it has to be done to bring the marauder faction UP than down.

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#47 [fr] 

Si n'importe quel type de guilde peut embarquer des joueurs maraudeurs, que reste-il à la faction du même nom ? Comment peut-on espérer qu'elle s'auto-suffise un jour en agissant comme des gosses, sans nous fixer de règle ?

Ne pas être dans une même guilde, n'empêche pas de jouer ensemble. De même que jouer l'un contre l'autre est aussi une manière de jouer ensemble... Grandissez un peu et réfléchissez-y ;)
Puis, pour le côté "on est tous des potes youpi", il reste les events hrp pour ceux qui aiment ça et les tells aussi :p

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#48 [en] 

More to the point; does anyone have the power and/or knowledge to make this happen?
Do any of the dev's care enough about this oversight to actually go out of their way to 'fix' it?
Does it even matter?
How does it affect an outsiders game?

As i've said, i'm past caring whether it happens or not.


(this is not intended as harrassment) 

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#49 [fr] 

How many people are we actually talking about here? How many mara toons are in kami or kara aligned guilds? I can think of 3 besides myself, only one of them (Marceline) is actively playing. Who are we hurting by taking advantage of the sandbox nature of this game that attracts people to play it?

Does this game have a big enough player base to chase away people who don't adhere to your strict Role play models? I f a guild is indeed neutral, which essentially means they don't role play, why couldn't they invite anyone they wanted? Game mechanics, the way they are now, don't allow me to make my guild completely neutral. If i could I would allow Kamis, karas, maras, rangers, Trytonists, and any other group that may come up in the future.

Wen I decided to become a marauder, I knew it was a difficult path to follow. I knew making money was going to be much harder, I knew I would no longer have the comfort of big cities with trainers and merchants, I knew I would be labeled as an enemy. What I really learned after aligning was who my friends are, my real friends. Being Mara in a non mara guild means that rp karas and kamis don't like you (even if they did before) because you're a marauder, and marauders don't like you because you're not marauder enough, neither of whom consider the fact that maybe we're just playing to have fun and don't care about the lore, which is actually quite boring for me, Tolkien, it is NOT.

Role Play if you think it's fun, but don't hate those who don't just because it doesn't fit your gameplay. Isn't it ironic that Role play is killing this little role play game for the people who are here because of it's "Sandbox" nature that attracted us to it in the first place?

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#50 [fr] 

Will just quickly say Aru I still like you and think I can speak for my guild on that too :)

I completely agree. With so many current issues with the marauders why people want to take the time to restrict a handful of players instead of having time better spent elsewhere I have no idea.

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#51 [en] 

Arugula?
Arugula
If a guild is indeed neutral, which essentially means they don't role play, why couldn't they invite anyone they wanted?

I don't see how that follows. I can easily imagine a neutral guild that is strong on Roleplay, whether it is Trytonist or Ranger. (In terms of roleplay, a Marauder guild is not neutral in my opinion.) Such a guild would not invite people who could not uphold its ideals, which would mean national patriots or religious adherents, simply because those people could not be neutral in roleplay terms.

I belong to a neutral guild. Phaedrea's Tears is a true neutral guild. We don't have "Kami/Karavan for tps". It is true that the guild per se is not a roleplay guild, but some of us very definitely do roleplay, and I maintain that in our determination to be truly neutral, all of us do a tiny bit of roleplay.

Having said that, I agree with most of what you said. The game needs to encourage players at ALL levels of roleplay from intense down to none. It also needs to have a truce. The non-roleplaying(HRP) players need to give the roleplayers(RP) room to do their thing -- it is not a right of HRP players to attend every roleplay event regardless of their game status. In return, the RP players need to stop writing and speaking as if HRP players were destroying the game -- by the very act of playing, they are helping the game.

A friend of mine has a saying: "The best should not be the enemy of the good." He applies it to an historical recreation group. I feel it applies here as well.

With respect,
Mac'Od Bittty
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#52 [fr] 

Thanks Virg, I like you too : )

Sorry Bittty, it wasn't my intention to imply all neutral guilds are devoid of Role Play. I know you role play and I applaud you for it, and hope it's delightfully fun for anyone who does.

I don't expect to be involved in every event that comes along, I respect the nature of what they are doing and frankly most of them, I'm not even interested in. When I first came to Zora, I sat in on one of the government meetings just to see what it was all about, and anyone who can sit for that long "listening" to it without feeling the urge to intentionally fall on their weapon and end it all, has my respect.

I recently asked for clarification of the use of "Neutral of Civilization" in Zendae's thread about the upcoming melee tournament because that would be an event I think would be fun. I thought in my coment I was very clear that I thought it was a great idea and would like to come watch even if I couldn't participate. I was immediately called a troll by one and basically told to sit down and shut up by 2 people who have never had one single interaction with me in game. Is asking "Can I play too?" really that harmful to some players' imagined journey here in Atys, that basic politeness is thrown out a window?

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