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#16 Added by Marceline 1 decade ago [en] 

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Bitttymacod (atys)
It seems to me that the wearing of a particular piece of armor could be seen one to two ways (at least).

The first is pride of allegiance: "I wear this Kami skirt to show my pride in being a Kami follower."
The second is pride of conquest: "I wear this Kami skirt to show that I can beat up Kami followers." (This might be particularly true in the case of Marauders.)

And a neutral wouldn't care, as long as the piece was useful.

hmmm, yes, i prefer that explanation!

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#17 Added by Virg 1 decade ago [en] 

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Besides, I thought one of the points of having Marauders was that we would have a more interesting balance of power; three major factions instead of two. If that were to happen it might be more interesting PvP wise, something a lot of players seem to be yearning for. Clearly that won't happen if the marauders are just jumbled in with other factions.

Marauders were in their own faction and eventually left due to the power imbalance. The fact that the marauders collapsed and many wanted to leave their organization presented a big problem: The fame grind. Imagine having to grind every single fame from -100 all the way to -24 and in some cases up to +100.

I don't actually know of anyone with marauder fames in a Kami or Kara guild who roleplays as a marauder. Instead, from what i know, they are only "marauder" for the teleportation system. This in my opinion is fine. There are many neutrals who are aligned Kami or Kara for the teleportation system, I don't see why this should be different for Marauders. Also Marauders are an organization, not a religion or civilization.

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#18 Added by Lilz 1 decade ago [en] 

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"I wear this Kami skirt to show that I can beat up Kami followers." - that is a joke, sorry bitty, but im not going to wear a different factions skirt just to prove i can kill them, id just kill them and be over with it lol.

Also Virg is correct we are a Organization. we shun religion and our civilization is our own. But things would be very different in these opinions if majority of Mara were in kara guilds, then maybe the power balance on both sides would be even and less nagging would occur :P

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#19 Added by Marceline 1 decade ago [en] 

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but would you wear the kami skirt if it were available upon slaughtering kami? like an award sort of.
assuming of course, that it didn't look like a dead goat and made one's arse the size of a small country.

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#20 Added by Sliar 1 decade ago [en] 

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Virg (atys)

I don't actually know of anyone with marauder fames in a Kami or Kara guild who roleplays as a marauder. Instead, from what i know, they are only "marauder" for the teleportation system. This in my opinion is fine. There are many neutrals who are aligned Kami or Kara for the teleportation system, I don't see why this should be different for Marauders. Also Marauders are an organization, not a religion or civilization.

I understand the conveniance of that. The comparison is somewhat fallacious, since Kami, Kara and Mara have TP's in all regions where as neutrals do not thus 'forcing' them to choose sides just to get acces to those areas or walk a very long way.

I do regret the demise of the Maras as a viable faction. Having a more complex balance of power really would be more interesting I think. *shrugs*


PS Lilz, all opinions are naturally subjective and only problematic when people hide their bias. Don't derail the discussion by pointing out the obvious.

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#21 Added by Virg 1 decade ago [en] 

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Very good point that neutrals are somewhat forced by the lack of teleports. I think some "marauders" stay due to the fame grind coupled with the fact the marauder tp system is much better than the kami/kara alternative.

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#22 Added by Astarth 1 decade ago [en] 

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IC: some of us have choosen to fend from enemies, to cut the possibility of having peaceful emisaries on diferent factions hinders our ways of collecting intel... actually marauders can come into guilds and not tell the guild, which is also a way they have to infiltrate us...

OOC: not admiting marauders into guilds is just a dumb way of playing a shallow minded roleplay... all nations and religions know how spies work, lets be mature and pretend this is part of our atys life

#23 Added by Placio 1 decade ago [en] 

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They're not spies if they run around with heretic and marauder as their title, are they Astarath? There is no roleplay here, to me it is a clear example going around normal game mechanics. Furthermore the idea i proposed of minimum fame for aligned guilds would apply to all members not just marauders.

#24 Added by Mjollren 1 decade ago [en] 

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Somewhat of a side-note, but I always found it funny that a nation-aligned guild can have members with high personal fame with the enemy nation.. e.g. a matis guild having an Atys Citizen (+50 with fyros while the guild cap is 0).

Astarth -- if spies are indeed to be allowed, then I demand again to be able to join karavan guilds with a kami-aligned char.

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#25 Added by Binarabi 1 decade ago [en] 

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A note of realism here
We are, as ever, pretty small player base so if some guildies want to go a certain faction/alliance/whatever and they can w/o leaving a guild they actually enjoy being in and having a laugh - then what the heck??
My Mauro have sold their services to both sides of kami / karavan alliances - and tbh Subbo thought mauro selling their services would even up the game a bit
Does not seemed to have worked tho ...

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#26 Added by Astarth 1 decade ago [en] 

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Mjollren (atys)
Somewhat of a side-note, but I always found it funny that a nation-aligned guild can have members with high personal fame with the enemy nation.. e.g. a matis guild having an Atys Citizen (+50 with fyros while the guild cap is 0).

Astarth -- if spies are indeed to be allowed, then I demand again to be able to join karavan guilds with a kami-aligned char.

and i'd love if that were possible, however game mechanichs doesnt allow it (without using alts which is what some players do anyway)

then there's the problem of rangers never getting implemented, and sadly marauders do provide for a sort of neutral alignment (-45) while having tps... and ofc there are some who aren't even interested in RP, whose only concern is the afore mentioned (and some don't even engage in pvp anyway)

and regardless of what you ask, this is ryzom and don't see the implementation of any of your ideas in the nearby future, so there's not really an stop for the situation.

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#27 Added by Fishgod 1 decade ago [en] 

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Mjollren (atys)
Somewhat of a side-note, but I always found it funny that a nation-aligned guild can have members with high personal fame with the enemy nation.. e.g. a matis guild having an Atys Citizen (+50 with fyros while the guild cap is 0).

Good point Mj :)
I feel the game is providing us good freedom to do whatever possible except some restrictions.

Regarding Maras in religious guilds doesn't make sense and should be allowed in a marauder/neutral/trytonist guild. At the same time there needs some work in kami/kara and all civic/ranger/trytonist alignment fame and chemistry too. But do we really need strict RP in the game?

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#28 Added by Marceline 1 decade ago [en] 

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Fishgod (atys)
But do we really need strict RP in the game?

nope. but should it ever occur, it wouldn't bother me. there's far more important things to worry about, things that actually matter.

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#29 Added by Talkirc 1 decade ago [en] 

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if it's not broke don't fix it, right now it's not hurting anyone, and challenging things could push some players out of game all together. if religion didn't matter and civ alignment's didn't matter, cookies could possibly be a real guild vs. a sudo guild. some of our members are very active RP, but know that the RP is part of a game, and still come together with everyone to have fun, which is what cookies is about, being friends and having fun. (the ingame stuff should be left outside the jar, we're all people in the jar.)

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