IDEAS FOR RYZOM

So at some point in the life of this game the mechanic of Kami Tolerance was taken out or completely minimized; Previously if there were too many diggers in the same area Kami entities would exterminate the diggers regardless of their allegiances or fames. This was a reminder that Kamis are not peaceful treehuggers, but instead homicidal eco-terrorists that value the planet above any homin life. Now that several pre-merger mechanics have been restored (kitin observer camps, kitin patrols, apartments) it is time to reinstate Kami Tolerance. Failure to do so would be subsidizing Kamist lies.

we had a dig party a while ago specifically to piss of the kami; 5 master diggers (i think) and we could actully see the kami tolerance going down as time went on. we got it right down to a few millmetres of tolerance left but sadly i had to log off... and we didn't manage to get the big lightening bolt thingy, but, it is still possible to get it down, just with an awful lot of effort :)

But, we had this a month or maybe 2 ago in GoC, I have screens where I got killed by said "Kami Gods".. so this function works.. I guess you are suggesting to lower the tolerance?

Yes, reading older forums, it looks like tolerance was raised because there were many players and it was happening quite often. now that we have fewer players it should be lowered once again.

Not top priority but yeah +1 from me

ahhhh, ok, yeah i'm all for lowering it indeed.

+1. I have been playing 4 years now and never seen it.
I think its time to lower it as long as it seems they are trying to make it very hard on us to get the mats we want, so why not this too?

Take a trip to west Void, kami tolerance "always" low, and kills me regularly …

Individual zone tolerance, sure; lowering all zones by the same amount, not so fan…

+1

I can remember the Great Digging Rush for the outposts shortly past merger. Even then there were only a few kami strikes, otherwise the tolerance would just stay dangerously low.

In my uneducated opinion, Sap Slaves and Lost Valley should be boom-ing constantly. The deposits in LV suck anyway, so few mats/node because the place is overdug ;/

Mjollren --

I would be interested in your observations re: Lost Valley. I have found and continue to find no difficulty in digging the mats I want on an almost continuous basis. I tend to fill my bag, then deposit them at a hawker, then fill another bag, etc. Perhaps it's just a different time of (IRL) day when I dig. I know for a certainty that Lost Valley is NOT a uniform Kami Tolerance Zone.

I think that the KT just after the merge was low but had few strikes because people were avoiding the last step -- not wanting to collect dp as they dug.


Why? Seriously -- why? As far as I can tell, the KT threshold hasn't changed in almost six years, more likely 7.5 years. Why change it now?

+1 to the idea of bringing it back. If it's never been changed, and is different in different regions, then that would explain players varying experiences. I've never seen the zap thing happen (coming up to 3 years playing) and I always assumed it would affect only Kami areas - like if you dig too near a Kami shrine. This would fit the Lore.

If it still works then I want to see it happen and will make it a mission to at least see the bar go down a bit.

Bittty,

My point was the amount of mats per node. In Enchanted Isle I pop nodes with up to 27 mats in them if I'm lucky, in Flaming Forest I dig 17 sometimes. Most of the time in LV I got nodes with under 12 mats in them, which is usually a sign of an overdug place. Mostly dug wood and sap in LV if that's useful info.

I'd rather have the kamis strike down the pesky diggers when they're too many *g*

Anyone who partakes in the awful act of digging and harming Atys should be struck down immediately.

Arfur -- If you come to The Loria Ponds area I can show you a reduced Kami Tolerance bar pretty much every day. Kami Tolerance sensitivity to digging has never been missing. The Old Forums mentioned in the original post are from back when Nevrax still ran the game. As I stated earlier, it has not been changed as far as I can tell since I started in November 2006 (that's when I started playing).

I did not mean to imply that the sensitivity is different in different regions, but that in a particular region (or sub-region like Lost Valley) there are smaller areas that react to digging. The whole Valley doesn't react as one area.

Mjollren - In the same area mentioned above I regularly get nodes with 27 mats per node (most in the 16-22 range) even when I am digging a two full bags of wood or resin on a regular basis. On the other hand I have seen specific areas of the multi-source fields where all node have low numbers of mats. I have seen no particular correlation between heavy digging and number of mats per node except when the specific area is nearing depletion and even then the correlation is not rigorous. What I do see is a correlation between heavy digging and the number of nodes that can be popped before depletion of a specific sub-area of a field. However, the recovery time for that pattern is on the order of a few minutes or less in my observations.

((The above is based on my digging pattern. Solo digging, choice materials, one-step plus source kill for each node, moving from sub-field to sub-field in a cyclic pattern, approx. yield 1k mats/hr. Your mileage may vary. Use of aggressive stanzas, careplanners, digging parties and the like may change results, usually in the form of reduced values of Kami Tolerance.))

Mjollren -- you still haven't answered my question of *why* you feel the Kami Tolerance should be made more sensitive.

Virg -- Should the same apply to those who hunt and devastate the herds of the animals of Atys? [*grin*]

Digging per se does not harm Atys. If one is careful, uses gentle stanzas, and digs only what the ground will yield, the Kamis will not even notice. If a group of people dig rapidly using harmful stanzas, that is when they are harming Atys.

I'm the one who actually started the post Bitty. If it is a part of the game it should be observed more often. Im not privy to what the Devs have done to it in the past, aside from finding old forums post where it says it was raised, but point still is it should be seen if it is in effect. and tolerance should be adjusted as there are fewer players now