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#60 Added by Binarabi 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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Virg (atys)

Yes Bina, alts are part of it however a conversation about alts will just get messy (feel like I'm having to repeat myself a fair bit here). I could for example point out Yorran, from what I saw, was in control of more alts than Yakapo at the last war I attended. Now that would be controversial that many people wouldn't have known about would they?? Stop bashing Yakapo for the love of Ma-Duk.

Stop bringing it up - promise you - Yaka had more than anyone else - please stop trying to defend him and just tell us to suck-it-up!

Already written to Yaka outside of fourms - so just drop it will you Virg!!

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#61 Added by Virg 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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Bringing it up?? I am the one trying to prevent the alt talk. You, amoungst others, are trying to drag the alt talk in.

If what I saw was correct, you are wrong. Please stop trying to drag this topic into a mindless arguement about alts.

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#62 Added by Binarabi 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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You just cannot leave it alone - I can count as easy as anyone else - Drop it for goodness sake!!!
Ask Yaka about the mail I sent him just to try and stop this being a he-says/she-says debate
Last word Virg??

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#63 Added by Virg 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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Virg

No more talk on yaka or his alts from now please. Unless in a friendly manner and relevant to the subject.

Virg

This topic is degrading into a discussion about alts. There are many alt users on both sides. Lets steer this away from a discussion about alts. Make a separate topic if you want to talk about that.

Virg

Regardless of if it does or doesn't, a conversation about alts will turn sour. I would rather this topic was not blocked.

Virg

Yes Bina, alts are part of it however a conversation about alts will just get messy (feel like I'm having to repeat myself a fair bit here). I could for example point out Yorran, from what I saw, was in control of more alts than Yakapo at the last war I attended. Now that would be controversial that many people wouldn't have known about would they?? Stop bashing Yakapo for the love of Ma-Duk.

Yes I am definitely the one who keeps trying to bring up alts. Oh wait, no. That is you.

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#64 Added by Victoriacamper 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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What do you want people to write about? :)

#65 Added by Virg 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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To share their views on outposts as they have been doing, without going into a slagging match about alts. The whole point was to generate a discussion in which people can debate about the current outpost situation.

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#66 Added by Placio 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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Virg (atys)

however in this post I will be addressing those players who believe it is the reason.

There is no topic of discussion, our kami overlords are just addressing us, now shut up and agree with them!

#67 Added by Virg 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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*gets his whip out*

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#68 Added by Rollocks 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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Let't talk about armor. You should see the HA Meagon made for me. I can't believe that the karavan/matis are not winning every battle with it.

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#69 Added by Victoriacamper 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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Virg

To share their views on outposts as they have been doing, without going into a slagging match about alts.

OPs are becoming an event exclusive for those who have mastered the arts of Pvp, this means a large part of the Ryzom population is being left out and OPs are no longer fun for the side who repeteadly loses.

You say: put in some effort, what does this mean? Train your launcher skills, be better at pvp? I dare saying that most people don't want to change their gamestyle just to make OPs more competitive in terms of PvP and more fun to you: the losing side loses interest and eventually the superb pvp side has no competitors so my guess is they lose interest too and move on.

Wont mention alts since thats not what you want to hear.

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#70 Added by Victoriacamper 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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I trekked myself to Wooky the day of the battle and hadn't seen the karavan fight so well in ages, yet, your pods were impenetrable.

Saw a few people in pvp armour in the karavan side too but its just a terrible disbalance in force.

And i'm not whining (i counldn't care less), just saying what it seems like.

#71 Added by Soulflyn 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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The fact remains that in every game there is a wining and a losing side.

Cause as Captain Obvious said this is a game :P I see that some GoS say that we should back down cause many from the losing side quit and more will quit if Kamis continue to take Ops. On Arispotle Karas were the dominate Faction and I never saw them back down (not that they should).

At the last 2 OP wars if u were there u would see that Karas have the ppl to fight against Kamis but from what I understand they don’t fight back for their own reasons which aren’t my concern. Ppl QQ about unbalanced server but I don’t think u have ever seen an unbalanced server and I can give u an example ( Game Aion, Server Telemachus, Faction Asmodians). That’s an unbalanced server not Ryzom’s.
If some1 wants to quit just cause he is losing well let him go back to tetris or something, better then have a server full of QQ-ers.

I never saw u say that we should back down for the real dyeing faction of ryzom the marauders tho.I never saw u defend them (this goes for Kamis and Karas)(and esp for GoS :P )

Karas have the ppl to fight they are just too deep in the holes they forage in to wake up imo and that wont change if they also have some Kamis on their side.

As for those that say ooh u are PvP masters how can others compete with u… well that’s a bunch of crap :/ When the servers merge I knew little about PvP and I learned by fighting marauds and karas in choice gear. I was dyeing 156 times a day for several months till I learned the basics and got some decent gear. So if some1 want to learn to PvP its possible to do it. If you do not want to learn then stop QQ about those that devoted their time and efforts to learn and return to whatever makes them happy in this game (just not QQ)

What I wrote is my opinion and mine alone.I don’t talk on behalf of Asylum or a faction or RP.
I love this game as much as any1 and i hate to see it die.

#72 Added by Victoriancamper 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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OPs are becoming an event exclusive for those who have mastered the arts of Pvp, this means a large part of the Ryzom population is being left out and OPs are no longer fun for the side who repeteadly loses.

Despite the incredible prick Virg is, we should note he is right at that -- outposts are, by their nature, pvp. If you suck at pvp you suck at outposts, the two are tied. Now, there are multiple variables in pvp, but I would shorten the list to : a) gear, b) skill, c) teamwork.

Marauders own no outpost but they still show up regularly at supernodes, sometimes managing good battles (and when they aggro drag, they actually win); what they dramatically lack is numbers, but they compensate with the other two points. If kami numbers are low at one particular season change, maras kick butt.

Karavan sucks at investing time in the game, or maybe at investing time in stuff that matters. You rarely see karavan (teams) hunting nameds, or scouting for bosses, or digging in PR. Granted, one poor alt can't know everything :p but I think I'm close to the truth when I say kami invests more time. Just put an alt in their guilds and you'll see what I mean.

I still stand by my initial idea, though : should the karas start giving an actual rat's ass about their members, they are still outnumbered and past the tipping point at that. To extend on what the other camper says, a kami heal pod is a formidable tool simply by the crapload of OP mats they already have in their amps, just as an example. Add slightly better stats on gear and you have a disheartening situation.

In short ... devs are stupid allowing one faction to go past a tipping point.

oh, and @Soulfyn:

We can't compare with other games. In Ryzom it takes weeks to reach the bare minimum masteries to become really useful (heal, ele, one melee). New players are trickling in slower than in other games, and subbed ones are really rare. Very difficult to grow your numbers, also considering most of them prefer joining the winning side :)

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#73 Added by Placio 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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maras do own an op at the moment

#74 Added by Binarabi 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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Soulflyn (atys)

The fact remains that in every game there is a wining and a losing side.

Cause as Captain Obvious said this is a game :P I see that some GoS say that we should back down cause many from the losing side quit and more will quit if Kamis continue to take Ops.

GoS as in me??
Actually I keep saying Asylum should just say "suck-it-up we are who we are"

Soulflyn (atys)

On Arispotle Karas were the dominate Faction and I never saw them back down (not that they should).

Think Kami were when I started - then Nitrouss and a load of others left game, then we were down to about 30 active homins and GoJ (old guild) had 4 ops including Stronghold, then homins started coming back into game and I gave away 3 of the ops to returning kara and kami guilds to keep em in game

Soulflyn (atys)

At the last 2 OP wars if u were there u would see that Karas have the ppl to fight against Kamis but from what I understand they don’t fight back for their own reasons which aren’t my concern. Ppl QQ about unbalanced server but I don’t think u have ever seen an unbalanced server and I can give u an example ( Game Aion, Server Telemachus, Faction Asmodians). That’s an unbalanced server not Ryzom’s.
If some1 wants to quit just cause he is losing well let him go back to tetris or something, better then have a server full of QQ-ers.

What's a QQer??

Soulflyn (atys)

I never saw u say that we should back down for the real dyeing faction of ryzom the marauders tho.I never saw u defend them (this goes for Kamis and Karas)(and esp for GoS :P )

You referring to the way GoS (3 of em I think) helped mauro against kara at EI? Coz the enemy of my enemy is my friend? Or the way an Asylum helped the kara in the same battle?

Over and out :)

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