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men greedy and proud are also a good reason for quit game. And even arrogant people.

women whining and moaning, no reason to quit game.

:p

Hi, no I wasn't speaking about the sharing of accounts. It happens everywhere for different reasons, healing, CPing etc... It i a common practice full stop from all sides.

I think this is an important factor if not the main reason. And what I was trying to say in my previous posts, is the growing necessity for players to have a strong understanding of PvP when it comes not only to battles but to SNs also. I can speak for myself and my Guild = PvPing isnt that hard. You get the proper gear and you set up the proper bars and after a few times of practice (which my guild has hosted in the Matis arena) you get a feel for it and understand how valuable it is. When I speak for my faction... when we first hosted the trainign sessions, the turn out was dissapointing although with time a couple more people joined. Some people either thought it was beneath them or else didn't want to because its not their gameplay. Now I cant force people to participate, although in Armas, the turnout is always generally high, I cannot just rely on building up my guild and disregarding the rest of the Karavan. A lot of guilds did/do something similar and left/leave the rest of us struggling behind.

What I will say, though, is because of this, I wanted to point out to Virg that their wanting to have fun will either have to wait until the player base of the Karavan changes or until (and I dont see it for the current players) the Karavan actually get to grips with PvP, because we can disregard Virg's guild - many of whom have worked VERY hard with their skills, but in general, the Kami are so much more in tune with PvPing. Ryzom's playerbase is not getting any bigger any time soon, so what you see is who we are. Does that mean we have no choice? No... I PvP... I thoroughly enjoy it in Void and SN's being in a group of people who know the basics of PvP too (amongst whom you will also find F2Ps) and I am still able to do all those things I love doing in Ryzom and PvEing. 

The choice is always there. Take Tuxi and Drogos who are, I would say, very PvE... And read Tuxi's post on her first PvP training session. People are too quick to look down their noses at it, think they know best and not bother coming or like Tuxi, be really anxious and feel like they are not good enough or cannot make a difference when they can and they do! So you know what... another reason people not only leave their faction but also the game is the lack of support and disregard for working together as a whole faction.

OPs are not the be all and end all. In fact, the ability to trade with will increase because of the unbalance. I guess you could say you can put in the effort in other ways if you do not like to PvP. Regardless, I do agree with you to a certain extent... however, when I compare my gear to some of the people's I've PvPed with, its not all that fancy.. I don't have any boosted stuff and I use Exc mats in my gear/jewls/weapons recipes. But yet me and my team have won at 2v2, 3v3 etc. I remember at a not so long ago SN, it was exhilirating because we didnt wipe for a long time by using the skills we learnt at the PvP training session, so yes the work did pay off! :) I nearly cost Drezar 10 sups ^_^

Anyways, yes its upsetting to lose... yes you feel you are not good enough. I am there with you on that. But I do not plan to stop the training sessions, nor to trying to rebuild the Karavan. But I cannot do it alone and that is what I think Virg is trying to say @VictoriaNcamper. You can't have 5 people in a faction do it all alone and whoever is your main (I suspect you are probably an aggrieved Karavan) you should join us in our sessions because theres guilds on both sides that solo NPC bosses and the Karavan cannot afford to lose touch with one another, lets say it how it is.

Virg, I don't see how any of this is helping. You ask for people's views but are quick to disregard them. It seems to me that you are just trying to justify your actions. Here are some problems that I see.

1, You claim to try to be making OP battles more fun by only inviting a few kami. I commend your efforts but all this means is that the kami are holding back to allow the opposing side to win a couple rounds. As fun as winning a few rounds may be, you will in no way ever allow yourselves to lose a battle and you can invite kami or log in other characters at any interval to turn the tide.

2. Someone broke the CoC in a battle which you keep pointing out. While I do not agree with nor condone this type of activity, don't act like this is the first time it has ever happened. I happen to remember a certain video.... oh yeah we were attacked for pointing that out before. So here's how it seems to go. You see someone cheating, you attack them. Someone calls you out for cheating, you attack them. Fun.

3. Even though you are trying to make OP battles more fun for both sides, it defeats the purpose when there is no chance of actually winning. It is very hard not to slip into a No.2 at this point. The fact that I personally am starting to care less should be all the indication needed. I used to care a lot. As many have said, there is only so much losing that people can tolerate.

If things continue down their current path, have fun killing guards. You've worked hard, you deserve it after all.

First off, Those of you from Ari, should damn well know that the tides of who controled all OP's and or most switched a few times from Kami-Kara, kara held onto the lead until the merge, with the merge more kami floated in and a lot of good players left the game from not only karavans side but from kami's as well, LET US NEVER forget that the tides of who is on top will always CHANGE, think of it as high and low tide, right now kara cant get their shit together even with your weekly meetings of the "karavan alliance" and with 3-1 numbers over us in OP's you still wipe because you lack basic OP battle tactics on defense and offense that is painfully clear, as for GvG and OP's being "yours" because they are in your region is pure BS, you know if you did GvG it would be worse for you and ya'll would lose an whine more, and if an OP was really "meant" to be yours because of region, well.. why dont you own it already? instead of gathering and boosting moral of your factions side you sit here and compalin.

I don't believe I am quick to disregard other views them just because I don't agree with them. I have even agreed with some people which is very unusual for me. I think long and hard before posting and if I do disagree with someone, I don't have trouble saying that and giving my reasons why. I hope that people would read through this topic and see that just because the Kami control lots of outposts, doesn't mean its game over and they should give up.

Yes we are trying to make OP battles fun rather than just white-washing the Karavan. This creates an environment where people can build on their pvp skills. At the most recent battle a new Karavan player told me they were thoroughly enjoying it, which for me, makes it worth while. I had heard on the next battle they didn't so much because two defeats in a row can prove to be hard to take. Of course we will never purposefully loose but this does not mean we cannot be beaten. That is in the hands of the Karavan to prepare an attack that does win. The next Karavan win I believe will be on their terms and their declaration as then they will be prepared and ready.

Yes I do remember that situation. I attacked a RW member for creating a forum post about an Asylum member in an attempt to publicly humiliate and slate him. I stated he should have dealt with the matter privately and that the attempt to deface our member was amongst other things childish. On this forum post I have made reference to a player breaking the CoC at an OP battle. However I did not mention it to shame the member, but instead to explain the Kami's unsporting behaviour which many people had pointed out was upsetting and demoralising. I wanted to make it clear that behaviour on both sides of the battle needed to improve, not just on the Kami side. Of course as I said, the incident does not excuse the behavior, but nonetheless it is the reason for it.

One of the main points in the post was to show the people who are in your position that they can still win with a bit of effort. It is very easy to slip into a deafest attitude and I have been in that position before back when AA were very strong. I understand many Karavan are feeling very defeated, as I had, but believe me when I say they can come back from this.

I've just read four pages of comments on how kara should or shouldn't do this and how kami should or shouldn't do that. None of it hits the real point of this game.

Ryzom is not a game of "follow this story arc and you win" like traditional mmos are. Ryzom is, as some have pointed out, a sandbox. That sandbox has a very particular focus, being that of scarce resources.

The drive to collect scarce resources creates conflict.

The game contemplates two (or possibly more) sides to drive that confict. It's a competition, not a cooperation. The game is set up that way.

"Why can't we just get along" works on a faction basis but not a cross-faction basis, when scarce resources are at stake. Therefore, we group with opposing faction people but we don't do so during OP wars or supernodes.

During scarce resource events, we compete. We do so by crafting gear designed to help us compete. We do so by working hard on the skills of competition.

No apologies for what I have written. I stand by this.

This game is PvP as much as it is PvE.A handfull of ppl like to PvP here, most forage n craft.I love PvP and for me to find 1 tagged person to have some some fun its like winning the lottary, so pls do NOT say that ryzom is turned in to a PvP game cause thats kinda ironic.Some say that this game started as a PvE game and PvP was brought to ryzom later so ryzom should be as intended to be, a PvE game... HELLO this is a 10 yo game and PvP is here for quite some time.If u do not like PvP then dont do it no1 forces u to but pls stop trying to demise PvP in every chance u get.If u dont like it dont do it.
Forage your nodes craft your items kill a yubo and pls let the PvP communaty of this game alone we are a few

Its a game...

+ Tendrili.

Thank you Captain Obvious.

Trying to sort out an issue that many people are having with this game. Great contribution.

Stop bringing it up - promise you - Yaka had more than anyone else - please stop trying to defend him and just tell us to suck-it-up!

Already written to Yaka outside of fourms - so just drop it will you Virg!!

Bringing it up?? I am the one trying to prevent the alt talk. You, amoungst others, are trying to drag the alt talk in.

If what I saw was correct, you are wrong. Please stop trying to drag this topic into a mindless arguement about alts.

You just cannot leave it alone - I can count as easy as anyone else - Drop it for goodness sake!!!
Ask Yaka about the mail I sent him just to try and stop this being a he-says/she-says debate
Last word Virg??