IDEAS FOR RYZOM

If you post from outside of the game it can be as long as you see fit

One reason for me supporting this is that when homins like pvp and they know there will a regular pvp period of time, they they will have a reason to log in at that time and keep paying their subs. We all know homins who have left game because of a lack of pvp excitement

The other reason, as stated before, is that the game has Lore and a notable Aniro homin once said - if you do not have Lore - you have nothing and the game will die ...
I did not agree with him at the time - but on reflection, seeing the population decrease yet again, I do believe he was right

And I am trying to put my dappers where my mouth is by being tagged and must say it makes me nervous ... but give it a go

Maurauders deserve a lot of respect for taking their role - they have an extremely hard life, cannot take missions to earn dappers, cannot take rites to get for example extra 100 focus, cannot even change their hair/tattoo. I think regular RP events where homins can voluntarily tag for a purpose might be the way to go and homins who just want to dig & craft can do so, but we need to cater for our pvpers more thoughtfully than just tag up and go and attack mauro in their own city

Quote from Jarnys: Yes, the devs planned to have PvP from the start but right after release it only existed in the form of the Matis Arena and the duel.
Then there came Areas with PvP enabled (roots, nexus, temple war regions) which drove away a lot of people who had become accustomed to the original way.

Actually homins left in droves before pvp areas etc were introduced - at the time of the 1st patch, which nerphed homins considerably (some of you may remember those old days), at the same time as the nerphs WoW was released and 1000's left Atyss, an unfortunate timing

I've done PvP in this game in the past. It's fun at higher levels in events like outposts but it's not much fun at lower levels. At lower levels I'd prefer to just watch, end result is about the same as you would more than likely end up healing poorly anyway.

I'm all for more RP PvP events as long as there is an option where you don't have to join in. What concerns me is that as PvPers leave the game, the remaining PvPers are likely to get more desperate as their gaming experience becomes less. I've never really seen this game as a great PvP game mainly due to the long skill levelling and the fact of the low population level. Would be interesting to know what percentage of the current population are PvPers.



But after all is said, more should be done for PvPers if possible, but that shouldn't include annoying the PvEers. So by that I mean, whatever plan people come up with should take into consideration all types of players.

Oh... I missed the "patch 1" issue because I joined shortly after that had calmed down.. (just heard about it from others) and it's not really related to this thread as I just wanted to list all changes that were made regarding PvP ;-) please let me know if I forgot some other PvP related change though :-)

about the lore thing true, I loved the rules on aristople alot more where I didn't have to know what a certain tribe did and stuff was alot more fun using the simplified rules we got (all are friends and if it's an event just choose a side kill some friends and after team up with them and have fun), the only reason I'm debating to leave the game atm is all the new lore and rp rules ingame. wich are borderline crazy (some ppl really need professional help in this game like little kids saying you can't be friends with that person or you'll get karavan coodies and such)

I don't care about the lore much, just treat people like people regardless of race, lore or anything else just like in RL.

As that saying goes
Lores are made to be broken (hehe)

Please allow me to bring up two points that people have brought up before (skill level and events) and look at it from a different angle.

What's the intrinsic difference of PvE versus PvP?

PvE is something folks can do alone and due to the fact that players usually choose their (NPC or mob) enemy, they choose the weapons and the level of skills. Players thus regularly choose a balanced, probably challenging, but doable enemy setup. _If_ PvE players feel like going at endgame PvE content, they choose to team up. The point here is: Everytime the player logs on, she has full choice of how and what to do in PvE. And players can participate from any skill level.

PvP is something you need at least two players to do. Often, the more, the merrier because more players involved means there's more room for tactics such as different weapons, skills, groupings, changes in combat style over time, etc. (1st difficulty)
To make it both challenging and rewarding, the fight has to be somewhat balanced on two scales: The level of the skills in use by the homins _and_ the ability to make those work best by the players. (2nd difficulty)

With that in mind, forcing PvP flag on everyone is very tough. Because I cannot choose the skill in use, I cannot choose the level of my opponent, I cannot choose the time and place. This will not be rewarding for me. It also won't be challenging. I would just be dead. Even if I'm not ganked today, eventually I will be. And I simply don't want that. Not even a single time. If I decide for myself to have a quiet evening digging near Dyron, I'm having enough trouble as it is with stray Kirostas or wandering Ocyxs. But I do see the point that PvP folks would like to have more fun and I can relate to that. Contrary of what has been said before I don't believe it's a matter of the number of targets available. Just having "victims" does not mean fun for the PvP folks. And I believe this is mutually agreed upon, too.

A few pages ago, several players already pointed out that the Nine Mektoubs event was quite a success (even if we can debate on the level of PvP or PvE this has been). For me (a partly RP player who prefers PvE) it was fun because it had a nice fit with the current storyline, because there was at least a theoretical chance that the outcome was open and changed the way the camps were or were not built, and there was no reason for _players_ to begrudge the attack. For me it was the first ever PvP activity, even though it felt mostly like PvE to me because I'm just a mid-level healer right now.

Also, several players pointed out the potential of scheduling events in general to support PvP. Looking at all the points in this post, I would like to emphasize that to the active PvP community: Like the Cookies did (and lots of others probably, too - remember I'm not active in PvP) - come up with a good idea for an event, and just do it. I would hope that if it fits into the storyline, the event team helps you with the setup (and we get something like the Nine Mektoub event). If it doesn't fit, maybe you can organize it by doing a cross-language post and calling to arms.

We have had so many threads on what new features in the game we need to make PvP more attractive. We probably won't get them because of dev time. Like we probably don't get new PvE features. The fun comes when we organize ourselves and be creative and work with (and sometimes even without) the event team to create content ourselves. We don't have the ring anymore to create landscapes and scenarios, but we can still create stories. It's a lot of work, though.