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#30 Added by Gkr 1 decade ago [en]

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Rollocks (atys)

Gkr (atys)
No, and no. Sandbox game, it's not about weakness or whatever trolling reasons you throw at people, it's about freedom of choice.

I put Other because the poll is silly.. but it means, No.

Gkr, it is sad to see you making the typical Ryzom response, simply because you disapprove of a suggestion and you resort suggesting person who made it is a troll. No wonder why this game is dying.

Having an option in the poll "I'm too weak" it is trolling... makes the subject not interested in PvP to feel "less".

Well maybe not trolling, but either way, if you get so many negative replies, i think there's something wrong with your post.. well... most definitely something wrong with your post :-)

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#32 Added by Arugula 1 decade ago [en]

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While I would like to see more people getting involved in non-OP-tagged PvP, I don't think forcing it on the whole population of the server would be the best way to go about it. There is a majority of people who play this game who, for one reason or another, don't chose to engage in tagged PvP, forcing them to do it would certainly drive some away. People need to be shown that it can be, and is fun. Most toons only exposure to PvP is at OP battles, which aren't the best example of good behavior and a spirit of fun, there's almost always a lot of "trash talk" in region, not to mention the arguments that happen in the factioned chat channels before, during and after the fights. A lot of people don't want to subject themselves to that kind of drama.

If you want to have more people involved in the PvP aspect of the game (which I do), it has to be fun and constructive. OP battles teach you very little about the dynamics of the different weapons and skills we get in game but, tagging with friends in a more relaxed setting, where more explaination is possible is a lot more productive. It would be beneficial maybe if there were more open PvP zones to practice in, maybe an arena in or around each capitol city?

The 9 mektoubs event today was so much fun, a lot of people showed up and tagged and we all had a good time, no trash talk, no arguing, no gloating, just good fun. I hope the people in charge of this game saw that and will schedule similar events in the future. I'm voting other in the poll, because I think there's better ways the community here can get new players interested in PvP play than forcing it on them.

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#33 Added by Suboxide 1 decade ago [en]

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-1 => sorry rollocks > choice is good, forcing somthing is bad.

if it's PVP or RP or whatever forced content will never be liked by the whole community

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#34 Added by Daomei 1 decade ago [de]

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This kind of idea or similar came up in Aniro forums several times in several flavors, though mostly with the intention to intensify being tagged for roleplay purposes.

The concerns which such proposals have already been uttered: removing choices will be likely rather to drive players out than motivating them to do PvP.

Under my impression, PvP participation in Ryzom is not low. More than half of active players, if not more, take part in OP fights, and, as an estimate, well 20% of regular players are in other PvP activities, at least here and then.

Unfortunately, some activities are not known widely. For example, the french players had a long chain of player event activity (SOS theocracy) involving PvP not seldom, last major part the freeing of the marauder Ezek during his trial for assassination of Paolen in Zora (a well planned and carried out attack). A few weeks ago, there was the abduction of a Clan McFay member (Anonyma) by marauders, with a subsequent attack of Clan McFay and allies to free her. Unfortunately, cross language informations are bit too weak and slow, here, and have not been encouraged sufficiently yet. With some translator volunteers one could ease such communication, perhaps.

The idea of more arenas is good as well. I recall the proposal for a Fyros arena having been made on Leanon already and having been considered, would be time to make it happen if possible. An arena in the Lakes would not be bad, either, e.g. on an island close to Dew Drops Kami/Kara tp not to make it a pain to reach it. And then one in the jungle as well ;).

We had long discussions about PvP rewards, already, and this idea is being checked by the Devs. Hope they come to a conclusion, soon.

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#35 Added by Rollocks 1 decade ago [en]

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Normally I would respond to comments especially those that attacking me for proposing and those that falsely attribute statements to me or make statements which have no support.

However the moderator of this forum has decided to remove and censor my responses which just furthers the distortion. Since they have not interested in having me make suggestions to improve the game, and discuss such suggestions, and defend positions I may take when criticized by others in this forum I will no longer post suggestions. Instead I will sit by and watch the size of the active population of Atys decline.

Can someone tell me how I to unsubscribe my account?

Rollocks
Guardian of the Muted Homin

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#36 Added by Bitttymacod 1 decade ago [en]

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Rollocks --

I'm not quite certain why my long posting got edited for "removing personal attacks" since the parts that got removed were not attacks and were, in fact, explicit statements that I was not attacking you, explaining the differences between "trolling" and "being a troll" with literary examples. I hope you got a chance to see them before they were removed.

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#37 Added by Banaone 1 decade ago [en]

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The thought that forced pvp for a week will attract more players than it will discourage is questionable at best.

In general i dont think the game as a whole (difficulty, pvp system) and especially at this point of time (server...) is very attractive to a larger pvp population.

What i did see working in games with a similar level of grind and , ehm, "polish", is pvp with a gambling aspect, stakes and/or dropping all items on death.
But it is again very uncertain that we would be able to pull this off (extra, special area where you loose all items, certain lack of items worth gambling for...).

#38 Added by Suboxide 1 decade ago [en]

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first while I myself are to big of a slacker to like the idea an idea is still an idea and everyone is free to propose and get an honest discussion without trolling.

about banaone's idea it think it would be verry hard to make but another small idea would be that ppl that are die hard pvp and would love to see more ppl doing it write out a reward system like if you kill me you get 50k dapper or 100sap crystals and such put it somewhere on the forums if enough ppl would do it then it might be a fun expirement

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#39 Added by Avvy 1 decade ago [en]

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Rollocks (atys)

However the moderator of this forum has decided to remove and censor my responses which just furthers the distortion. Since they have not interested in having me make suggestions to improve the game, and discuss such suggestions, and defend positions I may take when criticized by others in this forum I will no longer post suggestions. Instead I will sit by and watch the size of the active population of Atys decline.

Can someone tell me how I to unsubscribe my account?

Rollocks
Guardian of the Muted Homin

Don't know why you are blaming the moderator (or at least partially) for your decision. I too got posts removed, and a polite message reminding me of the forum rules.

Anyway had already heard that you were considering leaving the game about a week before this.

If this was Eve-online the post I'm quoting would be removed for discussion of moderation.

#40 Added by Suboxide 1 decade ago [en]

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eve online??? this is ryzom has nothing to do with eve online or their forum rules.

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#41 Added by Rollocks 1 decade ago [en]

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Avvy (atys)

Rollocks (atys)
However the moderator of this forum has decided to remove and censor my responses which just furthers the distortion. Since they have not interested in having me make suggestions to improve the game, and discuss such suggestions, and defend positions I may take when criticized by others in this forum I will no longer post suggestions. Instead I will sit by and watch the size of the active population of Atys decline.

Can someone tell me how I to unsubscribe my account?

Rollocks
Guardian of the Muted Homin

Don't know why you are blaming the moderator (or at least partially) for your decision. I too got posts removed, and a polite message reminding me of the forum rules.

Anyway had already heard that you were considering leaving the game about a week before this.

If this was Eve-online the post I'm quoting would be removed for discussion of moderation.

Well you did not read the message that I received from the moderator ( I would not characterize it as polite), and perhaps you do not mind your posts being censored. I do. Unlike you, I am careful in selecting the words that I choose. Modifying my posts changes and distorts what I have written.

I do not approve nor appreciate having my my post modified. You may not care, I do. You may not care if someone falsely attributes statements to you. I do, and when some falsely claims I made a statement, I want my response left for all to to see.

And as far as my decision to leave the game, I have had post that consisted of simple screenshots removed and censored several weeks ago. That is one of the contributing factors in deciding to leave the game. The scrutinization and reactions to my post borders on the absurd. There is no consistency in the standards applied by the moderators. What one moderator will suggest to you is permissible another one will impose a ban. So removing myself is the most effective way to avoid the aggravation.

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#42 Added by Rollocks 1 decade ago [en]

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Bitttymacod (atys)

Rollocks --

I'm not quite certain why my long posting got edited for "removing personal attacks" since the parts that got removed were not attacks and were, in fact, explicit statements that I was not attacking you, explaining the differences between "trolling" and "being a troll" with literary examples. I hope you got a chance to see them before they were removed.

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I only saw one post from you to which I responded. I don recall seeing your literary examples. Unfortuanately you too have to suffer from having the meaning of your posts distorted by censorship.

If you want you can send me your comments as a private message.

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#43 Added by Soulflyn 1 decade ago [en]

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Hello, i been way from ryzom for about 9 months.Still miss it tho tbh but... this game was no chance of going PvP simply cause the 95% of ppl playing just dont want to PvP.Its sad for as that love to PvP but thats the truth.Thats is the main reason i left ryzom.So try to find a way to PvP just like we did after merge (arrange 2v2 3v3 ect) and thats about it imo.Ppl that stay in ryzom are the once that wanna forage/craft and no1 can blame them, PvPers are the minority in this game so its time we reallize it .No1 can forse any1 to do anything.
But i have 1 q for the strict PvEers, wth are u gonna do with sup boosted gear ? kill yubos more faster ?
i get it u love forage craft ( been away 9 months i missed forage and craft tbh :P ) but for what all the effort of getting top mats and crafting them ? u can kill every mob in ryzom with crap gear too

anyways best of wishes on ryzom, hope it will stay alive for many years more, i hate to see my main die cause the game died

#44 Added by Lacuna 1 decade ago [en]

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Simple answer, Soulflynn, I don't need and don't use and don't want sup boosted gears. Sorry but the fun for me is in getting the mats, period. I am not a care bear, but just because I like my dp served up different does not mean I am a to weak, either. If you want me to try PvP, give me a reason to try.

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