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should camping be allowd, or should some change be made
yes
Atys: Alassea, Alric, Beepe, Bones, Camper, Feylin, Indigo, Kaetemi, Rollocks, Snarfster, Stitch, Sunmonkey, Tinial		 13 (4)
19.4%
no
Atys: Aikoon, Asmiye, Ataxie, Binarabi, Bucshotz, Cramer, Elikwasa, Elvanae, Evilar, Exodus, Feylin, Grasswind, Irfidel, Lacuna, Lightweight, Loirinha, Lumidragon, Ratastantan, Rikutatis, Shvet, Slorforn, Stitch, Suboxide, Tantalos, Tegus, Thahuliga, Veg, Victoriacamper, Zehrix, Zhoi, Zilon		 31 (4)
46.3%
Other
Atys: Aleeskandaro, Alric, Anzhanto, Arfur, Astarth, Bambamseven, Bitttymacod, Casy, Feylin, Fishgod, Hayt, Ishamael, Jarnys, Kalean, Laofa, Lilsis, Meagon, Ruhen, Stitch, Tantalos, Thahuliga, Victoriacamper, Yuritau		 23
34.3%
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#61 Added by Mjollren 1 decade ago [en] 

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Alright, I'll be the carebear here and say that an accusation against someone's reasoning reflects on their reasoning skills, and they *could* legitimately infer an attack on their person.

In any case, the last few posts have little to do with the topic :)

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#62 Added by Elvanae 1 decade ago [en] 

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Daomei (atys)
Your accusation is and was absurd and paranoic.

Very unnecessary... I do not feel I was unreasonable, illogical nor inappropriate in my posts.
Certainly not paranoid...
Daomei (atys)
It was clear

err... no not really... not to me at least...
Daomei (atys)
that I addressed your assertion that expecting and searching for a consensus among the playerhood were naive and working only in an ideal world. I did in no way blame you in particular for anything else you interpreted in what I wrote.

Never said you did blame me...
Daomei (atys)
I advocated that all should work along consensual guidelines instead of vilifying one another with the expectable consequences of split, resentment, even hatred.
Fully agree... what nice homin wouldn't?
Daomei (atys)
That was in no way directed against a single player but indicated the alternative to working together. I "therefore" aimed at nobody in particular.

Well..... that's how I took it. Thanks for clearing that up.
Daomei (atys)
Learn to read. And
Its amazing... It just came to me like a miracle and I suddenly could read these scrawny lines on my lappy screen... but still I hope I can one day learn to read minds... and we would have avoided this :/

Daomei (atys)
Elvanae
That's quite an ideal world you are preaching.
is not calling me naive? What else? And you blamed me to be "preaching", so much about initial politeness.

I apologise for you interpreting my post as calling you naive. I didn't directly use the word so I can only make clear that was not my intention.
Daomei (atys)
As to the facts and data, I would like to see some. Where are the alts and their mains at the boss spawns I am passing every day? Where were the campers when I spotted bosses?

I don't know, I wasn't there when you spotted bosses nor when you pass spawns every day. You don't invite me *weeps*.
Daomei (atys)
Btw. I do not know the poll result and who voted for A or B and who for not (A or B), and do not see one. I read a lot of postings here and not at all a waste majority confirming the alleged camping epidemic. And I know that few active players I asked are even aware of this thread.

The poll is actually at the top of every page :)
Maybe, as a clearly avid forum poster, you might appreciate that more homins should join us in this wonderful world of forum posts, where homins can be free to express themselves without being called paranoid and absurd.
Daomei (atys)
Maybe you convince the CSR to change rules or the devs to program something. I hope they will address real problems and more urgent changes instead.

Well, I rememebr Sengosha came to my wedding pre-merger and Wrox once teleported me to the Marauder camp as a prison sentence but can't say I'm on any speaking terms with either enough to convince them.

I was under the impression the forums were like an election vote and so here I came...and now I'm off.

Oh I feel special... another post for me to read :)

Oh no... so I still can't read :( My life is over.

Yes communication is very hard when you don't now how to read, nor when you don't understand sarcasm...

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#63 Added by Elvanae 1 decade ago [en] 

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Mjollren (atys)
Alright, I'll be the carebear here and say that an accusation against someone's reasoning reflects on their reasoning skills, and they *could* legitimately infer an attack on their person.

In any case, the last few posts have little to do with the topic :)

This is why I rarely post in forums. Its words on a page. You interpret the way you want/think the other said it.

I had thought with the lovely community of Ryzom it wouldn't be so 'in your face' as to be told you cannot read i.e. interpret properly but o well.

Yes Mjollren - I apologise to everyone, this has nothing to do with the topic. Lets resume discussion on the matter at hand shall we? :)

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#64 Added by Daomei 1 decade ago [de] 

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Alright, I'll be the carebear here and say that an accusation against someone's reasoning reflects on their reasoning skills, and they *could* legitimately infer an attack on their person.

In any case, the last few posts have little to do with the topic :)

As to the topic, I fail to see much to comment here, most has been said, and not only once. Btw, it seems that the "poll" is only readable for those who voted. I do not see anything, no single figure.

But I do not buy your argument. If somebody cannot stand that something he has said or written is called wrong, bad, even stupid because he considers that "legitimately" as an attack on the person cannot enter any discussion, but needs stooges. I cannot and will not respond at Elvanae anymore as he seems so oversensitive (at least when criticism is directed to his words) that I have to fear to offend him and to cause lasting damage.

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#65 Added by Virg 1 decade ago [en] 

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Elvanae is a woman, more than can be said for you. Daomei you never stand by the things you say. You first started preaching that many other things are in need of change instead of making camping illegal. These things you referred to are mostly to do with PVP. I asked you countless times to explain why these things are so yet you have not stood by what you have said but instead chose to ignore it. Before you start attacking others look to yourself.

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#66 Added by Elvanae 1 decade ago [en] 

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I am not a he :/ fyi. I am a she...

And if you do not know someone's gender, do not take it upon yourself to use word's like "he".

You have yet again, embarrassed yourself Daeomi - it is clearly you who is the sensitive one who does not want to drop this discussion but insists on having the last word and another insult. Well done.

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#67 Added by Daomei 1 decade ago [de] 

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Elvanae (atys)
I am not a he :/ fyi. I am a she...

My apologies, sincerely. That was indeed my fault, and I regret it, as I hate that, too.

To the rest, let us not start again and again. I don't see that it leads anywhere.

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#68 Added by Virg 1 decade ago [en] 

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Not starting again just wondering if you actually had an answer to a previously unanswered question?

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#69 Added by Daomei 1 decade ago [de] 

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Elvanae is a woman, more than can be said for you.
That attack was primitive, Virg. You do not know me, and I assure you that it will stay so. And your retort is meant to insult and you know it may and will hurt unless one hasn't but contempt for the insulter. I made a mistake with Elvanae and apologized for. It was never meant to hurt her.
Daomei you never stand by the things you say. You first started preaching that many other things are in need of change instead of making camping illegal. These things you referred to are mostly to do with PVP. I asked you countless times to explain why these things are so yet you have not stood by what you have said but instead chose to ignore it. Before you start attacking others look to yourself.

As to your insistance: I had chosen to end this discussion as it is not productive anymore if it ever was. But as you insist so much:

I indeed said and stand by that word that among the CoC changes there are a lot which have caused more and lasting damage, mainly those about agro dragging, and also some about boss fights and PvP. As long as you kill your mektoubs in OP battles, it is not my business, I consider it filthy anyway, though I see the significance of mektoubs in such fights. In fact all that kind of misconduct has spread wide beyond OP wars, when I read FF's posting it nearly made me cry - indeed many of us have lost a lot for your fun, and sadly some may indeed have quit. So my understanding for your complaints is fairly limited.

Beneath that, there are lots of more urgent changes than ruling in camping. Read the Dev Roadmap, or the list of approved ideas, think of apartments, or advanced occupations.

I asked a bit around which guilds are doing most bosses in the eyes of several seasoned guild leaders, Kami as well as Karavan. Two were named by most, Asylum one of them. When you are complaining and speculating about campers depriving you of one or another boss, this seems to be somewhat greedy.

Ok you have the response you forced me to by your primitive insult. It is my last word here

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#70 Added by Virg 1 decade ago [en] 

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My primitive insult was to get an answer not to insult. I am sorry if it did the latter. I have been asking that question for quite some time now and you had been dodging despite answering other things.

As for Asylum killing a lot of bosses, yes we do. I actually want camping to be illegal because it is an unfair advantage to all others in my eyes, not because it is depriving us of bosses. If you read my bosses post I would like some changes made to the game that would actually hinder Asylum and open up bosses to anyone in the region at any given time.

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#71 Added by Camper 1 decade ago [en] 

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If you really want to stop me from camping preventative measures would be very simple. Make it so that when I log off for say a certain period of time of time that I reappear at a portal or back at my home city. If I reappear back my home city then my master would have to trek me from Yrk back to my camping spot. Chances are she would not find that an endevor worthy of her time.

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#72 Added by Gasket 1 decade ago [en] 

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If you really want to stop me from camping preventative measures would be very simple. Make it so that when I log off for say a certain period of time of time that I reappear at a portal or back at my home city. If I reappear back my home city then my master would have to trek me from Yrk back to my camping spot. Chances are she would not find that an endevor worthy of her time.

Camper

Actually not a bad idea, codewise. I suppose people will bitch and moan, but in reality only those who can't afford teleports, aka bobs (see GoS dictionary) or Suboxide. While I do feel sorry for the first group, the second deserves it! Moving us to spawn or teleporter in the zone would remove this complaint, but might be a bit more of a pita to code.

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#73 Added by Rollocks 1 decade ago [en] 

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Camper (atys)
If you really want to stop me from camping preventative measures would be very simple. Make it so that when I log off for say a certain period of time of time that I reappear at a portal or back at my home city. If I reappear back my home city then my master would have to trek me from Yrk back to my camping spot. Chances are she would not find that an endevor worthy of her time.

Camper

Actually Camper, you should keep these ideas to yourself. If you post things here you be subjected to nothing but harsh criticism.

Rollocks

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#74 Added by Bitttymacod 1 decade ago [en] 

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hmm...

I see much in the way of harsh feelings and accusations and counter-accusations and only a little light for all the heat. Threads like this one are the reason many people give me for why they don't like to use the Forums (which is a shame because then they miss out on Events and other fun stuff).

Part of the problem I see is that Daomei is thinking scientifically. [digression] Proof of an hypothesis or theory involves imagining and executing experiments which can demonstrate that it is false. In the abstract sense no theory based on observations can be proven "true", only "not disproven." On the other hand if it is "not disproven" after multiple clever attempts to do so, the likelihood that it is false becomes infinitesimal and such theories are widely regarded as "proven." [/digression]

That's in the scientific world. Sociology and social interaction are not a science. However, it does seem to me that if someone is saying that the devs should create a "solution to a problem," then it is up to them to show that a "problem" exists. It further seems to me that a few comments in a Forum poll are not the way to do it. (See above for the reason people avoid the Forums.) Even the idea of discussing it in the Faction meetings is better, though not perfect since not all people are in Factions (and the national Assemblies are miniscule).

I said a "few" comments: a few more than 50 people have voted. That's not a lot, and since this is in the EN section of the Forums, it's self selected for a minority of the players of Ryzom. As for better things to do with their time, more Events, fixing the still broken apartment issues, etc. seem to me to be of far higher priority than attempting to stop something that cannot be stopped. (If the materials are desirable enough, then people will figure out effective ways to get them.)

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#75 Added by Virg 1 decade ago [en] 

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This isn't the only thread against camping. People have stated they have not voted because the poll has a double question to it. You say things like fixing broken apartments are more important but how did you come to this conclusion? Can you show me a poll where more people have voted that they would like apartments fixed? If you can fair play.

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