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Daomei question, you don't wanna change YOUR history but you wanna change the history for everyone ingame that hates the matis because of the silan quests they took when they where young? I for once have -51 with kami/kara/tryker/fyros/zorai but -100 with matis, this is totally of my hatered in roleplay against the matis wich I learned during silan quests and by playing in different events on aristople.

So you don't wanna merge your make belief history because your char is based on that but you have no problem changing my chars history with matis thats actual ingame lore based. How can you be serious?

No Suboxide. I don't want to change the Sterga Hamla quest in retrospect, but for the future.

Imagine that crafting master Hamla is a child of the first great swarming when hominkind was caught off guard by the kitins because they were so busy hating and slaying one another.

In the historical Silan he has kept his prejudice. There have been decades of Atys years since. Maybe master Hamla has learnt in the meantime, and realized that his behavior is not favorable for his people (and that it is bullshit to demand an oath of allegiance nobody can fulfill). That is my point.

kind regards, Daomei

In all fairness, I believe no roleplayer wants her history changed after the fact. But we have to come to a compromise. Looking at the heat of this discussion I'd encourage everyone to reread what Icus said and wait and see what the event team has come up with as a compromise.

Personally, I cannot imagine that this transition will be painless. But hopefully my imagination is limited.

Peace, friends.

The current server is Atys (says right so when you create a new toon, for instance). The forums are in regard to Atys business, things that happen on the single server (called Atys, again). Can you grok this?

The name Arispotle in the forum is kept solely because of the historical division - if you bother to switch your forum language to french, it will still read Aniro (voila!), despite poor Aniro being .. you know .. non-existent. I'm not reading any german player claiming that because his forum still says Leanon somewhere, he can just impose his views and his historical past. You are not at home in the Arispotle sense of home.

Unlike the Universe chat which I turn off when you exhibit the same broken logic, I don't want to stop reading forums just because you're in there. Please stop insulting and bossing players around; your opinion is valuable as long as it doesn't devolve into a rambling ad hominem.

Feel free to post next and call me brain dead too, I'm looking forward to that.

Very sincerely,

after reading the new 16 posts here, i've come to see the same thing again, just said a different way over and over, some not willing to make ANY compromise, other's willing to make huge one's.

ONLY A FEW PLAYERS ARE SEEING THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER, NOT AGAINST EACH OTHER.

daomei: everyone, not just you, has invest time into role play on each server, everyone will have to come together to find common ground, and try to work in the different histories together, as a whole for the better of all role play. as long as your not willing to compromise, you are saying that everyone else is wrong no matter what, the idea to create one history will have an effect on everyone's role play, not just yours, not just the german players, not just the english players, not just the french players, i can go on and on with this, point, but i'm starting to feel as though i'm speaking fact that you alone do not see, you are a single player, does that mean that if the RP community you are a part of most decides to work together for the better of all, that you will stand against them? because your continued statements about your unwillingness to compromise says to everyone that you feel you are right and everyone else is wrong, this is bad for you, and bad for RP over all.

RP will never have much apeal like it is right now for new players, we need to stop being selfish about our histories and come together as a community, otherwise RP will forever be an issue for us all. until there is unity in all of us, there will never be a single community envisioned by WG when they started the merger ideal.

everyone in the RP community will have to give up something, and perhaps we'll all find ways to work in the bettering of the whole.

My dear Mjollren!

I was being accused of distorting Leanon's history, and that when i referred to Events that defined my character i was told that is bullshit and it never happened, and that Leanon was the true history, and they tried to enforce their history on me. I'm acting in kind to that.

How can you make a comment on something what you have no idea of?

Fyranna --

As an Arispotle roleplayer of the same sort that Daomei is a Leanon role-player (i.e. that most of my roleplaying has had to do with events, not meetings, and that I am proud of my contributions to them) I must say that I have found your posts to be more intemperate than they really have any need to be. Bittty may not like the Matis as a whole but he has accepted that they have not recently given any cause for him to worry about them. (Bittty still thinks Sterga Hamla is a (rhymes with crass), but that's Sterga.)

OOC, and somewhat to the point of this thread:

If you check back to the post where you were "being accused of distorting Leanon's history", I have to say that I read it in an entirely different fashion.

I see both Salazar and Daomei simply pointing out that your statements about the Matis burning Thesos are as much a distortion of Leanon history as their account of radicals Fyros (or apparently Aniro's account of fanatical Matis mentioned in another area) are a distortion of Arispotle's history.

The discussion here is not about which one is "right", but how we can make them all merge so that we can continue to play together. You and I remember the death of the Sharukos to a mysterious disease followed by the Matis invasion (including the abominable *Yubo bombs*). Daomei remembers helping heal the Sharukos. I'm sure Fey-Lin remembers something else entirely.

In ALL histories the old Sharukos is now dead. He was buried at Cerakos Gate in a very moving ceremony that somehow managed to gloss over the differences in the memories of those present. (No complete account seems to have been published but a reference is here.) Some people remember him dying of disease, some remember him dying on the trek to the Kami Oasis in the last days of the Great Swarming. As Hawkeye says to the Black Widow in The Avengers, "You and I remember Budapest very differently. "

And that difference in memory is probably where we are going to end up when all the sturm und drang dies down. It is not going to be possible to "merge the histories", but it may be necessary to agree that we have "different memories of Budapest." That those memories shape us in roleplay terms is inevitable. I don't see that changing. We will have to learn to respect those differences rather than fighting about them. Yrkanis is dead, Stil Wyler is dead, Dexton is dead. Only Mabreka Cho still lives and even there our memories differ.

Look to the future... the past is dead. We need to look to it to learn, but let us temper that learning from the past with *observing* the present. (I say this not only from the OOC point of view but from the roleplaying point of view as well.)

-- With respect,
Bittty

This is "an eye for an eye" mentality and all it accomplishes is leaving the whole world blind. When I see this in my children, it usually arises as "they started it."

My response is always the same: They may have started it but who will be the first to stop it?

One History to Rule Them All

Reading this thread and the blindly vehement attitudes displayed, it is very unlikely that the player base will ever agree on a history and, really, it's not our place to write one. I would rather see the "true" history of Atys played out—the one written in the old Ryzom Bible—but that is equally unlikely; however, it does show what needs to happen: A history needs to be given to us. Whether it's simply one of the previous server histories, a new history or a blending, someone (or a group of someones) needs to be designated to retcon the history of Atys.

Here is the most important point: All three communities must agree to support the new history. Why? Because there is only one community now, no longer three. There can be only one history for this new community. If we continue petty—yes, petty and trivial and asinine—arguments about whose history is better or should be kept or is valid then we will destroy Ryzom and Atys faster than the Goo ever will.

Anzhanto

Here is one suggestion, can we not write all three histories into the Lore? Here is one idea, it may be simplistic here to start, but im sure you creative ones can enlarge on it. Perhaps lets say there was 3 dementions (Aris, leanon, and Aniro) each had a valid true history. Then something in the Cosmos, or Evil from either Kami, Kara, or Trytonist caused all the 3 dementions to come slamming together and all of us are here now with our own true histories, but need to make sense of what happened. With the name Arispotle, that should give a clue. Also, if you noticed when you logged on, this time period we are in is called: The Road to Power. what does that mean? Could it be tied in?
If this Idea is not adopted, then i suggest somebode note all the histories for all 3 servers side by side: Arispotle Aniro Leanon
Underneath, we record the differences, and as a community vote on the things we want to keep and things we do not, and live with the results.
Or, we can let Devs dictate history.

i like what i read naema, nice to see that others agree something, what exactly is still unknown, but something needs to be done to unite us again, we're all homin.

Talkirc, we had this discussion already, and I recall to have made the proposal with the several dimensions, which, btw. is not even in contradiction with RL physics (refer to multiple worlds interpretation in quantum physics, Everest, DeWitt et al.).

For me, it is important, that our histories which shaped us before the merge, will not be scrapped. I cannot say which part of them will ever be significant again, thus I cannot say that I am willing to give up parts of it. I want to listen to the experiences of others from other realms, to learn from them for better understanding.

if daomei we did, i must have misunderstood, for that i'm sorry, but if we go with that ideal, then the 3 histories are just that, and from the point of the merger on we're making new history, that's directly related to the here and now of the new atys. if that's the case (as it could very well be, and i'm open to it, IF) then at this point all role play changed form the separate worlds/parallel universes/ect. to this new one, the new roleplay should be related to getting to know eachother, and to talk about our different histories from where ever. and we start new roleplay that doesn't really relate to that for the over all story, but for each player, the deed's they did the memories they have, can stay intact, however they have to move beyond the cataclysmic event that forced us all together into a single world/universe/reality/ect.

that will help to create the new history of ONE atys.

i see new options to this problem, now all we have to do is all come to terms with at least one of these options. then we can start at that point, until then, we're all lost and confused about what's real, and to each of us in question, it was real for us all, but different from eachother, we can learn from that if we open our minds to it.

I love that this thread is starting to become constructive, and I would never have tought about the alternative reality's idea myself wich I like.