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#17 Added by Salazar 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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OOC: The reason for my request, Eruv, is that this unhealthy mix of IC and OOC kills off this thread and with it Erminantius' initiative. If in future all player events would be reduced to beauty contests and Atys Olympics, I would be pretty bored, to be honest.

As for Suboxide: "a workgroup where got decided what history to follow" - fortunately not. This sounds like a concept for killing the past of a large amount of old player characters which grew and lived with the history on their servers. "If you rewrite histroy like that you don't wipe our minds anyway all that's about is you being able to say in the end I changed history (...) now you are all wrong and I'm right wich comes over verry smuck to me." is what you wrote, Suboxide, so I really don't understand why you want a workgroup to level server's past ... As for Silan, for example: there was no Silan when I began, but the Matis Starter Island. I won't loose anything when we get rid of Silan missions, characters, and even geography. ;)

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#18 Added by Talkirc 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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ooc: {(to make ppl happy)

silan is here to stay.

old lore is here to stay.

server history is just that, history. there needs to be a way to put in the various histories of the individual servers into a single story line, then at that point a new "bible" (or guild or lore book or whatever you choose to call it) can be used by everyone on the server, and if everyone is using the same basic history (keyword there is "history") we can all start to create a new history that is more fitting the new server and new community, if we're all working on the same history, EVERYONE can roleplay TOGETHER, thus it's more fun for everyone to play at the same game, trying to keep everything seperate like it was still on 3 different servers is not something we can even talk about, because there is only ONE server, we need only ONE history we can ALL use.}

back to RP:

i'm all for the study and removal of the kitin, they are a threat to us all, there for i would like to object to the feeling of being excluded from helping with something that effects all of homin kind, not just the karavan and the matis, this is a tree wide problem, and should be treated as such, restrictions to other homin nations or based on religion simply try to seperate us all, in a time when we should all be united in a common goal, i worry at the state of the homin world when we can't get past petty differances, i guess for the masses true enlightenment is out of reach.

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#19 Added by Suboxide 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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ooc (to make ppl happy)

this forum is at the time still called "Forums » Events (arispotle)" so Fyranna is for all I understand in her good right to tell here the lore of past events of aristople and follow that story line here instead of the 2 other servers story line. If histroy's aren't merged then on the "Forums » Events (arispotle)" I wanna read about ari lore and not leanon and aniro one's there are forums for those aswell.

The problem is for ppl like me it's really hard to get into the whole roleplaying aspect of the game the lore is extencive, then there are the histories of the server, then there are the difficult events and meetings, and so on => you don't make it easy for ppl to get into it.

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#20 Added by Salazar 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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OOC: Honestly, if you say the French and German roleplayers should either adapt to Aris lore or stay out of this forum - namely people like Erminantius, Feylin, Zhoi, Daomei, Icus, etc., etc. - there will be not that much RP left, if anything at all ...

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#21 Added by Fyranna 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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OOC (to make people happy,who are too lazy to use brain power to realize when i'm out of character.)

First i would like to thank Suboxide for pointing the Arispotle thing out.

Second, i said "Yes, ok, the massacre at Thesos didn't exist in this stream of timeline." So we can ignore that.
But the rest of my posts are still valid.

Third, Why make the post about this event public if you only invite Kara and Matis? Why not just make posts about it only in the Matis and only in the Karavan Forums? I feel that you intentionally posted for everyone, to churn up this kind of 'doo doo'. VERY diplomatic of you.
Congratulations! You are succeeding to cause chaos and disorder among the Player who also like to endulge in some form of RP from time to time. This will definately discourage players to get into RP, who aren't normally into it.

SO. In light of this that you posted this here ON PURPOSE to cause all this and you are staying IN CHARACTER most of the time, and refer to yourself as a MATIS NOBLE, just prooves my point that the MATIS ARE DEVIOUS AND CAN NEVER BE TRUSTED!

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#22 Added by Suboxide 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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OOC (no idea why i'm doing this but seems to make ppl happy):

I don't want anything but let me sum it up:

1. You and others tell ari ppl like fyranna that ari's history is worthless here, like all other servers history.

Salazar (atys)

OOC: Well, here we have the complicated situation of the three servers having a different history. I'm sorry I had to address that as I did above, but then Leanon's past has the Matis invading nothing at all, but a firehead Fyros then supposed to poisoning his father and trying to provoke a war. ;)

Daomei (atys)

Yes, indeed we have this complicated situation, and we all should be reluctant to use controversial parts of that conflicting history against homins from different traditions. Fyranna should indeed consider that. Distorting Leanon history is not helpful anyway.
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Zilon (atys)

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sorry but Arispotle, was Arispotle, and the new server Atys is just a new one, the history of Arispotle have the same value than the history of the other old server !!

2. You do not wanna merge or work out some differences between all history's because you like your own history most and don't want to mix it i think

Salazar (atys)

As for Suboxide: "a workgroup where got decided what history to follow" - fortunately not. This sounds like a concept for killing the past of a large amount of old player characters which grew and lived with the history on their servers.

3. Then I propose the talk about different lores in different events forums since they are still named with the old server names. I'm not saying you can't post in them but I'm saying think about the history of the server before telling ppl they got it wrong posting story's based on their own lore in ari's events. I'm sure you talk about aniro and leanon lore in your events forums and we are not telling you off there like you do with us here. (you are still welcome to partake in it). But the answer we get is this:

Salazar (atys)

OOC: Honestly, if you say the French and German roleplayers should either adapt to Aris lore or stay out of this forum - namely people like Erminantius, Feylin, Zhoi, Daomei, Icus, etc., etc. - there will be not that much RP left, if anything at all ...

==> I'm not speaking for a whole community but the way I see it now is you want to tell us to addapt to your lore on our forums it's not us telling you to addapt on your forums is it?

PLS tell me what you want? I have the feeling all this is about you just wanting this same debate for all following events where you can peacefully talk on aniro and leanon forums about them and come here and tell us we are doing it wrong because we got a different history.

ps. I understand your roleplay way and I don't like it that much (to much talking about imaginary titles and npc and no real action) but I don't tell you you are doing it wrong or bad. So pls don't tell us we are doing it wrong if you don't like our way of playing.

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#23 Added by Zilon 1 decade ago Report | Quote [fr]

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Suboxide (atys)

==> I'm not speaking for a whole community but the way I see it now is you want to tell us to addapt to your lore on our forums it's not us telling you to addapt on your forums is it?

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but, it's not your forum, it's no longer the arispotle forum, it's juste the english speaking part of the forum for all the community of Atys, the old server no more exist.....

we have already have the same probleme of multiple history on the french speaking forum with Daomei.

it's right, that's make many more problems on the english part because it's the most common language and the forum have to be rebuilt.

#24 Added by Salazar 1 decade ago Report | Quote [de]

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OOC: In your effort to sum it up, you happened to ignore this bit, as it started off the whole discussion now (which has, of course, nothing at all to do with this thread, which - I hope - will be cleaned up):

Fyranna (atys)

Let's get this straight. I'm NOT distorting Leanons history, as it no longer exist. The event past i talk about happened on Arispotle. The Server now called Atys. Not Leanon. Nobody is distorting your History. Get your facts straight!

So, to begin with, Fyranna said that the history of Leanon and Aniro is worthless here, as supposedly Arispotle only changed its name to Atys and transferred its history 1:1. I only pointed out that there are points in history where our servers differ and received the answer above.

There could, of course, be made an effort to merge the histories of three servers into one. It's not that I think Leanon's history is best, it's just that I don't want to kill off my character. If everybody agrees to have her or his characters wiped and start all anew, we would be on a same level and could ignore server histories at all (which is what Winch Gate had hoped for anyway, I guess). In a merge, guess who'll loose it's history? I don't know how many Taliar or Akenak Arispotle has now, but I think there's exactly one Noble and probably no Zorai in the Circles. We do have about a dozen Aniro Nobles in Matia, I guess, and many of the Akenak appear to be French. So are you saying you'll throw Arispotle history in the ring for a vote which one will be chosen for a "merged" past?

Suboxide (atys)

I'm sure you talk about aniro and leanon lore in your events forums and we are not telling you off there like you do with us here.

I guess you don't even try to read the forums of Aniro and Leanon, and therefore you're simply guessing. It obviously will surprise you that on Leanon - and from what I've seen, mostly on Aniro as well - we try not to reflect on the past, because we all try to play together while at the same time try to keep the integrity of our characters. Also, I'm surprised to be told I'm "telling you off" - but then I probably can't make myself better understandable. I was always bad in English at school, so please excuse me for any incorrect spelling, faulty orthographics and bad grammar.

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#25 Added by Htoytomi 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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Please respect the author of this post, this is getting far enough away from the created event. Please take your opinions to another forum post or a tell. Thank you for your understanding.

#26 Added by Fyranna 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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Get you Facts straight!

Salazar (atys)

So, to begin with, Fyranna said that the history of Leanon and Aniro is worthless here, as supposedly Arispotle only changed its name to Atys and transferred its history 1:1. I only pointed out that there are points in history where our servers differ and received the answer above.

Qoute me where i said the History from Arispotle should come across 1:1!
Go on! Quote me!

Do not twist my words you!

Fyranna (atys)

Second, i said "Yes, ok, the massacre at Thesos didn't exist in this stream of timeline." So we can ignore that.
But the rest of my posts are still valid.

You are so hung up on something that i did not do.

I DEMAND a Moderator make him apologize! I never said ANY such thing! THEY are saying I'm distorting Leanon History.

Daomei (atys)

Fyranna should indeed consider that. Distorting Leanon history is not helpful anyway.

Are we even playing on Leanon??? ARE WE???

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#28 Added by Suboxide 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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anny chance a csr can split this thread and move what's been said today into events ooc with an apropriate title, somewhere around post #47 seems apropriate to me.

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#29 Added by Copal 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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(OOC, and very sorry for it

I'm still unsure of which part of all these arguments are OOC / IG / forum character, or whatever.
What I'm sure of is, I - as a player - feel really uneasy with some of the comments exchanged here. Actually, with a lot of them. But I'm trying to teach myself that most of it is definitively IG quarrel, and that I should learn more about "aggressive" RP.
And nonetheless, I expect that, whatever your feelings as players are, you'll understand that a player took of his time to create this RP event, and respect his work.

But, as for me, I've got a request.
Please, if you intend to attend (yes, I know, it's supposed to be Matis/Karavan only, but I've read somewhere that you could try to join if you had a good enough RP-reason), have a thought for me as a translator, and for the non-English speaking players: I'll never manage to keep the kind of pace you've put on this thread.
Thanks for your consideration.

/OOC)

#30 Added by Bitttymacod 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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(OOC -- though that might be redundant now)

Copal -- I'm the one who _suggested_ that non-aligned characters might try to join the event if they could RP a good reason. I did that, I thought, as a way to make a suggestion that Emerantius might want to take up.

I'm not going to be available, but I could definitely see Bittty coming up to the party and *asking* Emerantius if he could join the excursion in order to learn more about the Kitins and expand his already extensive knowledge of the current invasion. My feeling was that I suspected that Emerantius might allow that, since I am not *counter*-aligned to the Matis or the Karavan.

Note: *might*. It was only a suggestion.

And I do hope that any EN speakers remember that simple sentences are always easier to translate than complex sentences such as the one I committed above.

I also hope that someone publishes an account of the event to the Event Forum. Please?

-- "Bittty" (end OOC)

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#31 Added by Talkirc 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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ALL OCC THIS TIME:
i also started a thread because of this HUGE issue with history, please if you've taken the time to comment or post here, please at least have a look at this and vote on the poll if it applies, if not no vote needed.

http://app.ryzom.com/app_forum/index.php?page=topic/view/18702

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