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I want to discuss this subject in public. We had 4 kitin events recently in which I, as an independant player, took part. Beneath that the events were clearly fun, a problem arose with the event loot. Only in the first of the 4 events, the looter, in that case The Free Soul, distributed the loot from the end boss to all participating guilds or individuals as Chanchey and The Free Soul had always done and as it was standard procedure on Leanon. In all other events, the looters either kept it for themselves and their buddies, or distributed it "among the big guilds", as they named it.

That means that individual players do not get anything, also not less "big guilds".

While I consider events a value in themselves beyond any loot or reward, I am not used to that kind of in my opinion corrupt method of loot distribution. It is likely to frustrate independent players and players from smaller guilds and compromises the principle of event rewards, which should not be the privilege of a few powerful guilds and their buddies.

I have not participated in one myself, but from your description, I'm likely not going to bother, unless this is handled better.

Thanks for pointing it out!

fair is, if all homins becomes a title after event - really is, there are only 10 title for loot.

our guild has split the titles with others guild who asking.

i dont understand you, daomei... there are more then 60 homins for the event and not all can take one... so is the life


we are here for fun and teamplay, i think, this is more than a title ☺

since i now sleep like an austrailian....... and most of the action is at 1900 GMT... i almost always miss the events/assemblies unless i get woken up against my will, or i hear my alarm

but lets be honest the title is just for show it does not realy impact game play... so if i dont get it, i wont mind. now if the title gave me 50 hp or something... i may whine a bit about 1) the time or 2) the low chances

enjoy your titles whoever got them, i just want my dig demon title :P

Good for you Eruv, have been told we are in the wrong time in Australia it is all about US, 1900GMT is my 4:30am and we miss all the fun. I think the game should look at it's times.

Grabbing all loot and then saying "oh, what about the title" sounds somewhat dishonest. There have been 4 Kitin events, which means 40 tokens. 10 of them were distributed fairly, together with the rest of the boss loot the "big guilds" have grabbed as well. At the event in Pyr, practically everybody got _something_. It is absolutely clear that not everybody could have a token. I did not get one, and do not complain about.

What I consider highly unfair, is that stealing from the independent and smaller players by the more powerful guilds who monopolize most of the boss loot, season change harvest, and outpost materials anyway, with their guildhalls already overgushing from supreme mat. It would be honorable to show a bit of restraint here. But obviously I am demanding too much.

A word to Vinka: Please do not blame the event team, who are doing a great job in creating wonderful events. The blame is with parts of the playerhood and their selfishness.

Im not sure there is a truly fair way to share the loot from these. I looted the Ykr Boss and i must admit i gave the exterminator tokens to the bigger guilds but i also gave some loot and kotd tokens out to all guilds i could find there. i even had to /t some ppl who had already left.
I know what you are saying about the smaller groups feeling left out.
The reson I gave 1 exterminator token to each of bigger participating guilds is that was 1 token between many ppl not just a token between 1 or 2 people.
Im sorry if you were missed out Daomei but I did say something in region and it was well known i looted.

lol loot has nothing to do with bigger or smaller guilds the team which does the most damage gets loot rights, get a team of 7 x 250 nukers and 2 healers to make a heal battery, 99% of the time your team will have loot rights.

The problem discussed is that whoever loots has no way to fairly share the resulting mats.

So what you are basically saying.. is instead of you changing your ways of playing Ryzom; Ryzom should adapt to your needs?

Do you ever read your own messages?

Good luck with your pursue

PS. There's no such thing as "corrupted loot distribution". Who ever loots or the guild decides what to do with it, because THOSE who make the most damage get the loot, get it?

So basically, you can either clone yourself 30 times or join a guild in order to be able to LOOT it, because you wont be able to make damage.

Secondly, since this is from the start an unfair distribution, we try to give to the biggest guilds because they participated in numbers.

Bottom line is, read the first line of my message again, and again, and again until you get it and move on.

nobody says, that YOU can not dig sup on the singlespots and scout bosses and trade outpostmats with guilds!

Gkr, thanks for stating clearly what Daomei actually complains about. I believe we should now ask you if you have read the previous postings in this thread and ask you to please provide some good arguments why the loot should be distributed in the way you suggest?

What do you make of a team of ten master healers that never did any damage to a boss, but ensured the whole battle wasn't lost? According to your distribution strategy they'd never get any loot _unless_ they join the same guild that does the big damage.

Now why would you restrict roleplaying (neutral players, small guilds all might have a good RP reason to not join a big guild) for the sake of distribution rights?

That's what's a "society" is about: Thinking a bit about others from time to time...

As I stated before, this is NOT a fair system. That's why they BIG guilds get the tokens, cause it assumes they have the most healers and nukers and melees that ASSISTED.

It's more like covering 1% of those that participated.. Fair? No way! but it's best we got.. with 10 tokens to 150 people.

Oh and by the way, I gave one of the tokens to a neutral guild at the Tryker event and at the Zorai gave one to a small guild, so PLEASE dont take Daome's point of view as a source of debate, because she is delusional in this thread.

Cheers,

Gkr.

because i started this in a way with my "ideas" forum post about the amount of tokens dropped from these events, i want to clearly say this: i'm a member of a small guild, and have received a token from one of the bigger guilds, which i am very grateful for, i had requested that as many members of my small guild that could help me to take part in the event i received the token from, yet we were still very out numbered by many other guilds, so it's not always the big guilds that loot is shared with.

i do not complain with how the loot is distributed, that's not up to me unless i do the looting, then i can be the target for everyone that doesn't get a part of a very small pile of loot, let's face it, if they were to increase the loot drop of tokens (it's a game so there's no loss if there's more, unless your selfish about sharing a title) there would be MORE tokes to hand out. i don't think it's an issue with the distribution of the loot, i think it's a lack of having enough loot to match the amount of players that attend the event is the real problem at hand, not how the distrabution is.

on my idea forum post people want to claim that the guardian title is rare, but i have to disagree, as the "atys guardian" title takes having each of the other guardian titles, and i see at least a few of those every time i play, it can't be as rare as some want to make it out to be. and as i said in my ideas forum post, there is only one truely rare title, and it's so rare that they still haven't made it: Grand Game Master (for players with all 63 skills at lvl 250) that's the only title i feel is truely rare because how many players could have that title? i know only of 2 for sure that could (and 1 i'm 100% sure of, the other i'm 99.9% sure of)

this post feels like a way to bash players for doing what they can with what they get, and since i'm a single player in a small guild i disagree with that approach, instead of attacking a single player or a single guild, attack the people that can really do something about it, the dev's. they have the power to change how this problem everyone agrees on needing fixed. (side note, who needs to save the "excess" tokens from a drop if each time a exterminator is killed it drops 150 tokens? who would waste the slot's to save them? and why? i can't honestly believe that anyone would be so selfish)

i don't mean for any of my thoughts here to offend anyone, but i must say that ppl are looking at the wrong person and/or persons to do something constructive about this issue. none of us would be in any different a position to distribute the loot if there are so small a pile of loot do distribute in the first place. it's a game to make us happy, so let's get the people that can change the way of making us happy (dev's, not players) do something that will solve the issue at hand.

so for everyone that isn't happy with how the loot is distributed, don't attack a fellow player for it, attack the dev's for not making it simpler to distribute the loot in the first place.

(thank you GKR for helping me get the title i wanted so badly durring the zorai event, perhaps with my open honesty about the fact that you gave me your personal piece of that terminator so that you could help a in game friend from the opposing faction (i'm kami, your kara) get a title he so baddly wanted for his years of playing and taking part in events to finally get will allow the people that didn't get one understand that you do try to be fair about the loot) (if anyone now likes me less for stating this fact, i'm very sorry, but i don't blame GKR or just us for not having enough loot at the tryker event to make everyone happy. i'm not after either GKR or just us to change, i'm after the dev's to make a change that will make it better for ALL PLAYERS)

now i've said my mouth full on this topic and the issue on distribution of loot in my book is closed untill the dev's do something about it, becasue the bottom line is that THE DEV'S ONLY can make this issue better.

get rid of the "useful" loot alltogether, give everything else to everyone else. as long as there's less loot than players there's always someone who feels left out.

as for titles - what's the reason for limiting titles? just give them to everyone who participates. a few people can now show off their cool titles for this and that event which others never will be able to. even though they participated in the same event. maybe even more actively than others who got the title.

people who feel neglected or left out become discouraged. why participate ? to get bashed by the happy looters afterwards? it's very true that the looter's have no obligation at all to share, but if enough people stay away from events because they don't get anything anyhow...whatever