IDEAS FOR RYZOM

1) So you admit dappers are easy to come by? If so this would make your armour easy to obtain so basically you just want it by putting in as little effort as possible..

2) People farming are a different discussion- that is for the devs to deal with and I would hope they would take all farmed items.

3) You cry about us running through the wall constantly as if that is the reason you die. We do not run around waiting for the marauders to leave. We go to the camp to actually fight them. You just usually run to your GH and wait for more to come.

4) Not high and mighty. Just speaking facts. That you are not difficult to kill, that we have been doing 2v5s in the marauder camp and that we aren't the ones who end up dead.

5) Yes you have seen me dead after 1v3s etc and I have no trouble admitting that :)

EDIT: Yes I can see the number issue. You cut me deep saying I can't count

1) They CAN be - but usually are not, so not as little effort as possible. You're talking to a person who has had no income for the past 2 months.

2) Its actually entirely to do with the discussion at hand, the fact that people can grind it so easily makes it a bad idea to use PvP points for it.

3) I go into my GH to wait for my PvP flag to go away then i port out, since the people at Asylum cannot clue into the fact that they are not wanted within the marauder walls.

4) Like I have said - I only remember fighting you twice, and I do not remember a 2v5. When Asylum does win at those numbers its by running around healing the entire time, not fighting at all, then when everyone has left they actually fight.

5) I have seen you dead after many 1v1's and 2v2's, stop trying to cover your tail by saying that you are always outnumbered - because we both no that is not the case.

1) People shouldn't be able to farm PvP points and I would hope the devs put an end to farming if they made PvP points worth something. The simple fact is dappers are easy to grind and tradable. This would make your armour instantly obtainable if you wished it. You could grind the dappers on an alt, do deals with other people etc etc.

2) Asylum love the fact we aren't wanted within the marauder walls. Thats why we go there in the first place for PvP. I was told by 2 HOs of clan to just go and attack the clan members whenever I wanted PvP and was told not to even bother asking.

3) You werent there for the 2v5. We dont wait for people to leave. I'm sorry you are saying we are boring people by healing? Healing is a vital element in PvP. If you don't know that I am afraid you should go back to PvP basics.

4) No tail to cover. I only remember loosing duels in the maro camp to kitane and acour. I simply made the point I have been winning a lot of battles and still finding the PvP points a slow grind.

1) Just because people shouldn't be able to grind PvP points doesn't mean they can't, they still do, and they still will. Also, dappers may be able to train for some - but most people do not have an alt grind up their craft, and most people dont try to get a tremendous amount of money from someone all at once. I just recomended a price that is rediculously high for one piece - not for just the whole set.

2) Good for you, and the fact that you go in is the reason why so many either de-tag or go into their GHs/apts. And how about we drop this bickering about the walls and whatnot considering it has nothing to do with the thread.

3) No I dont believe I was there, and yes healing is vital in PvP - but just healing and not actually fighting is not PvP - its being an annoyance and just proving why we dont want you to come in.

4) Regardless of that - the fact that one can grind up 960 pvp points from one kill at max - makes it an easy grind, you just need to know how the system works to get that many points.

This is dragging on a fair bit.. just to sum up for me and I am done here (maybe):

Dappers are easy to come by in this game. They are tradable and earning 10Mill in 1 day is not hard to achieve. To put marauder armour up for sale for dappers would see pretty much every marauder wearing it very quickly.

PvP points are not tradable. They are a long grind unless you illegally farm which the devs should be preventing. They require killing members of opposing factions which fit perfectly into RP of "earning" the right to wear such decent armour.

For Marauders it is much more difficult to grind dappers, and 10mil is essentially impossible under normal standards.

But as long as people are able to grind PvP points - it wont matter since they will still be easily achieved.

Many marauders have other accounts where they can grind dappers, and as i already stated dappers are tradable. You could even sell your gear for dappers to others.

Prolly one might end the discussion which does not yield any new aspect. I agree to Virg so far as the idea overlaps somewhat with his proposals for distinct PvP armor. A feedback from the side of the devs would be great once they find the time for.

I have stated my views more than once (not generally negative towards the proposal as long as it does not grant privileges and creates imbalances, preferrably a marauder skin should be somehow open to all crafters without the need of becoming marauders).

So I think we all should wait for the feedback and not pick on one another.