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#17 Added by Fyrosfreddy 1 decade ago [en]

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Does a Boss 270 Kipuka look like a 240 Kipuka ? Does a Boss 270 Kirosta give equivalent mats as a 253 Kirosta ?

On one hand, I have no issue with marauder armor ..... but:

1. It should not look like Boss level marauder armor (See Kipuka example)
2. It should have same exact stats as racial armors which are all equal.

But again..... OTOH, your mixing races with factions, Yes we have racial armors, but AFAIK, there are only 4 races on Atys. Marauders are a faction not a race and to be consistent, there shouldn't be a "special case" for marauders, until we can start crafting buying kami / kara / ranger armor I don't see where RP enters into it.

No problemo at all with offerings similar to faction shields and skirts

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#18 Added by Toak 1 decade ago [en]

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MOBs and armour are 2 totaly different things - the 270 kipucka and kirosta have a different appearance just to symbolise that it can be killed for supreme mats.

Also, as to the karavan/kami armour - the kami and the karavan have the kami and karavan points which as you said is a faction. Also - with those points they can get special picks, catalyzers, generic mats, skirts, and shields - yet marauders are only able to you pvp points for basically nothing.

Rangers are a faction that still doesn't have a city and if they did then sure there could be another thread about ranger armour for rangers.

Plus marauder armour has a specific skin - why would the dev's make new skins and everything when they can easily use previously designed and in-use skins?

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#19 Added by Bitttymacod 1 decade ago [en]

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Toak (atys)

Rangers are a faction that still doesn't have a city and if they did then sure there could be another thread about ranger armour for rangers.

Plus marauder armour has a specific skin - why would the dev's make new skins and everything when they can easily use previously designed and in-use skins?

Ranger armor already exists at least in MA. You get it from Chiang in the last mission on Silan.

You say "...marauder armor has a specific skin...". I would disagree: BOSS Marauder armor has a specific skin; we don't know what the grunts wear except by looking at some of the "Marauder clans" that have shown up. Those looked pretty generically racial to me.

You point out that Faction points can buy cats, special picks, generic mats and skirts and shields. Why not make the equivalent available to Marauders?

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#20 Added by Toak 1 decade ago [en]

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Yes the rangers have MA in silan - but not a skin specific to the faction itself. As to the grunts - you can tell by the gaurds of the marauder camp that they do indeed have the same skins as the BOSSES.

As to the faction points - there is a sort of system, but it has not been properly implemented so it doesn't work, doesn't have things to buy, doesn't have a place to buy, and doesn't have any way possible to get the points. I was just pointing that out as to show that the karavan and kami still do indeed have something that the marauders don't.

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#21 Added by Daomei 1 decade ago [en]

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Toak (atys)

Yes the rangers have MA in silan - but not a skin specific to the faction itself. As to the grunts - you can tell by the gaurds of the marauder camp that they do indeed have the same skins as the BOSSES.

As to the faction points - there is a sort of system, but it has not been properly implemented so it doesn't work, doesn't have things to buy, doesn't have a place to buy, and doesn't have any way possible to get the points. I was just pointing that out as to show that the karavan and kami still do indeed have something that the marauders don't.

Two things, Toak: First, though Karavan and Kami have faction points (of which I collected a couple) there is no way to spend them. And recently no way to get new ones. The temple merchants still are not in place. Nation points are the only ones, besides PvP points.

Second: Why should marauders have the right to exactly the same stuff as Kara and Kami? They are rebels, after all, designed as a challenge for seasoned players.

As to the armor, I already told: I am not negative about an additional skin. But there should be a way for every crafter to get the plans, not marauders exclusively.

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#22 Added by Toak 1 decade ago [en]

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As you said why should marauders have same stuff as kami/karavan - i say why should karavan/kami have same stuff as marauder? It is a double bladed sword - not a single. Also I am very well aware that they cannot spend them anymore nor can get them since you are not the only one who has them. And you are saying that we are rebels - just proving my rp standing that marauders should indeed have their own armour.

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#23 Added by Fyrosfreddy 1 decade ago [en]

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You still fail to recognize the distinction between:

1. NPC Bosses and the players who have *CHOSEN* to be Marauders.

2. Marauders is not a race.

You can be Fyros and be Marauder; you can be Matis and be a Marauder.(yeah Tryker and Zorai too). Despite the fact that you have *CHOSEN* to be a Marauder, you still belong to to the race of your birth. We have racial armors, we have racial weapons, we have racial spells...whatz next ? Marauder spells,Marauder weapons ?

Kami / Kara do not have the same stuff as Marauders. Their status as Kami or Kara has nothing to do with the fact that they took down a big bad NPC and looted his stuff. A player need not be kami or kara; yet can still own crafted NPS armor which they made themselves or looted armor. NPC Bosses are a special item just like MOB Bosses and everyone should have equal access to same. Your RP stance is far from "proved" because no other faction has their own armor. Once other factions can buy their shields and skirts, yes then ya shud get same.

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#24 Added by Fyrosfreddy 1 decade ago [en]

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Toak (atys)

MOBs and armour are 2 totaly different things - the 270 kipucka and kirosta have a different appearance just to symbolise that it can be killed for supreme mats.

Ummm, the important part is that they have different stats. And to provide what you want, special stats which provide an advanatge is a "no deal".

Toak (atys)

Plus marauder armour has a specific skin - why would the dev's make new skins and everything when they can easily use previously designed and in-use skins?

As Bitty said so succinctly, sure let them use the skin that the marauder grunts use, it's all yours....no objection. Im Fyros and I am wearing the same stuff that all the guards in Pyr use. Like you said, it's already designed. But I just don't see why one faction out of four should be elevated to special special that they and only they get to wear boss armor.

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#25 Added by Toak 1 decade ago [en]

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As you have so clearly forgotten - I have stated that the stats do not need to be the exact same as the boss armour.

With the different stats look at the difference between the Horrific, Great, and Death Najabs as well as Fijoo - they look the same with just height differences and the stats are as you said "different". Also - as I have said - the grunts use the same armour as the bosses so if you keep stating that we should have the grunt armour instead of boss armour that just contradicts yourself.

Also - Marauders are Marauders, Karavans/Kamis are Karavan/Kami FOLLOWERS - not an actual Karavan or Kami (which yes is a faction not a race).

Your argument just seems to be that Marauders should not be able to get something of their own when Kami and Karavans have way more stuff already which is - what would you know - their own.

If you continue to say that people defeat the NPCs just for appearance and not for the stats then it seems you are missing the point of them, they are indeed for stats and not for the appearance.

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#26 Added by Bitttymacod 1 decade ago [en]

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Toak (atys)

Yes the rangers have MA in silan - but not a skin specific to the faction itself. As to the grunts - you can tell by the gaurds of the marauder camp that they do indeed have the same skins as the BOSSES.

As to the faction points - there is a sort of system, but it has not been properly implemented so it doesn't work, doesn't have things to buy, doesn't have a place to buy, and doesn't have any way possible to get the points. I was just pointing that out as to show that the karavan and kami still do indeed have something that the marauders don't.

By grunts I referred to the tribes who showed up to "help" during the introduction of the Marauder pseudo-faction. *They* did not have special armor. I've never even seen the guards of the Marauder village, but I would point out with respect to the Kami and Kara (especially the latter), that Karavan followers can't get Karavan armor.

One of the points of the NPC Boss armor is that you can tell by the look of the armor that the person involved is an active player with strong support that has managed to bring down NPC bosses time after time. For any goober Marauder (a category that most emphatically does NOT include you, Toak) to be able to have that look is diluting the worth of the armor, even if the q100 Marauder HA has the normal stats for player armor with other skins.

I'd much rather see Marauder skins made that can be learned by any crafter (start counting the SP, guys, they just got rare). More work for the devs, but more balanced in play.

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#27 Added by Toak 1 decade ago [en]

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By saying that how you meant grunts as in TRIBES proves that isn't Marauders that you were refering to, since a TRIBE and a FACTION are 2 different things last i checked.

As to the Kami armour - the sentinals aren't even homins so they can't wear armour. As to the Karavan armour - I can't state enough of the fact that they have many advantages that Marauders do not (that goes for the kamis too).

Also - this is a forum for MARAUDER ARMOUR FOR MARAUDERS - if you want to point out that the other factions don't have it too - then go ahead and make your own thread about it - dont make your sole argument of "they can't have that since we don't have that".

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#28 Added by Virg 1 decade ago [en]

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Funnily enough you are pretty much fighting for what I already have in my forum post: "[Multiple responses] PvP/PvE rewards and ideas."
http://app.ryzom.com/app_forum/index.php?page=topic/view/17014/23 #23

In this the devs have responded "This will be studied: There are complex matters of game balance to be considered."

The only difference is you seem to want to be able to buy them with dappers instead of PvP points. So I have a few points to raise:

1) Dappers have got to be the easiest grind in this game. So in my mind you are basically asking for the opportunity to be able to get the marauder NPC armour for free, simply because you are a marauder.

2) You say that marauders don't fight each other and this wouldn't make sense. However I see you guys fighting each other all the time.

3) You argue that marauders such a Sergio and Aen have this armour so why shouldn't you? Well.. I shall tell you. They have earned this armour. It takes around 2 teams of masters to kill them- where-as you barely need one master to kill you. What makes you think you are so worthy to wear this armour? You need to earn it. I personally believe the system in which you should earn it is through PvP points.

4) If you agree that you should be able to obtain these items through PvP points please kindly stop talking. You are doing more harm than good.

5) For the love of Ma-Duk stop putting everything in capitals.

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#29 Added by Toak 1 decade ago [en]

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I have some points of my own to raise for you as well:

1) With the negative fame required to be a Marauder your tribe fames drop as well, and if you raise them then your "Anti-Fame" will be counteracted and you would no longer be a Marauder.

2) It sounds like you are saying that we fight each other homins - not the NPCs, where as we do that for dueling and testing things as well as practicing.

3) You sort of contradict yourself by saying this since the 2 teams of masters go against it and only 1 person gets a piece of armour - how is it any different if that 1 person who can be beaten by 1 master as well has the armour?

4) PvP points are even easier to grind in this game than dappers - it would be idiotic to use it for that.

5) Bite me.

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#30 Added by Irfidel 1 decade ago [en]

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*Leaning back, reaching for the popcorn, and waiting for Bitty to be baited by the response to (4)*

#31 Added by Virg 1 decade ago [en]

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1) Why are you chatting about tribe fame... what has that got to do with anything?

2) I recently took part in a 2v2v2v2v2. 2 kami teams, 2 marauder teams and 1 kara team all fighting each other. Yes.. thats right... marauders fighting each other. It happens. Seeing as you don't mind killing each other for you to go attack the NPC bosses seems well within RP limits so stop whining.

3) I am saying sergio and aen are tough marauders and hard to kill. They have earned the right to wear such armour. You on the other hand have not.

4) If you are referring to farming PvP points this is illegal. Other than that PvP points are tough to raise even when you have been winning 2v5s in the marauder camp daily (said from personal experience).

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