IDEAS FOR RYZOM

#1 Added by Squires 1 decade ago  

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I doubt anyone will like this because of many reasons....But i think they should block trading between the factions because at the moment there is no point in faction wars everyone is just under the table doing their business if we choose a faction then were gonna fight for them right?!

*having the words care bears in the post was indeed inappropriate pointed out by Daomie*

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#2 Added by Squires 1 decade ago  

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I know this would be hard to get used to but what are factions really for? i think its PvP right? this would bring excitement to the battlefield. so surely this is the best choice for PvP ?

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#3 Added by Daomei 1 decade ago  

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I do not know whether anybody likes it but I consider it a maximally pointless idea. Every player, every guild, every alliance are entitled to act how they like as long as they do not violate the rules and code of conduct. And trading surely does not constitute such in any way.

I fail to see a real idea in that proposal. Scolding others as "care bears" is simply a stupid and immature insult. And how should "blocking" work? Hardcoded check of faction membership, with no exchange possible if opposing? Control of the inventory? What about neutrals, or converts? Being limited to factional items such as OP mat, or every kind of exchange?

Those who like strong antagonism should play it with those who like that, too, leaving those alone who want to keep their freedom of choice. That there are few factional clashes has other reasons than interfactional exchanges.

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Daomei die Streunerin - religionsneutral, zivilisationsneutral, gildenneutral

#4 Added by Gasket 1 decade ago  

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Ryzom is a sandbox game. A game where players make the rules. Don't try to enforce rules that are for the enjoyment of a minority. Else I will go about making a Mayhem Air tax on all teleporter tickets. Just because it is a silly idea as well.

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Gasket

"It's shite being tryker! We're the lowest of the low. The scum of Atys! The most wretched, miserable, servile, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization. Some people hate the Matis. I don't. They're just wankers. We, on the other hand, are COLONIZED by wankers. Can't even find a decent culture to be colonized BY. We're ruled by effete arseholes. It's a shite state of affairs to be in, Marceline, and ALL the fresh air in the world won't make any ****** difference"

#5 Added by Squires 1 decade ago  

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Like i said i didnt think many would like the idea i was aiming for PvP

Gasket i have a question for you! is Ryzom still a sandbox? because i dont think it is i hate being forced into missions i wish i could make my own rules and remove the silly and annoying missions.

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#6 Added by Gasket 1 decade ago  

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People asked for a working economy based on dappers, the devs did their best to provide that. They cocked up quite badly, if you ask me. Still, you are not forced to do those missions, I often offer people to buy mats from them at reasonable rates when grinding. It isn't as easy as it used to be, and people have become greedy as a result, but it most definately is still a sandbox, in every aspect.

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Gasket

"It's shite being tryker! We're the lowest of the low. The scum of Atys! The most wretched, miserable, servile, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization. Some people hate the Matis. I don't. They're just wankers. We, on the other hand, are COLONIZED by wankers. Can't even find a decent culture to be colonized BY. We're ruled by effete arseholes. It's a shite state of affairs to be in, Marceline, and ALL the fresh air in the world won't make any ****** difference"

#7 Added by Squires 1 decade ago  

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Yea your right Gasket. Im just so against these dapper missions hehe

Daomei im really sorry if i offended you i was using "carebears" in a half hearted way next time i will think twice! thanks for your reply

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#8 Added by Daomei 1 decade ago  

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It is a gross misunderstanding to link factions to PvP solely. Faction PvP is one part of PvP, as well as PvP is an element of the game, and factions are an aspect of the game as well as others.

PvP is not confined to factions, it can be done between any set of players inside, outside, or across faction boundaries. And factions are neither solely nor even originally made for PvP, they are indispensable elements of roleplay of any kind, play a role in PVE, are part of the Lore. They are providing background and athmosphere for the game no matter whether one practises PvP or not.

I wonder a bit about the paranoia that a reasonable proposal might be dismissed because it is linked to PvP. There is no reason why PvP should not be practised, advertised, and popularized as any other part of gameplay. Yet this should be done by non-coercive means as everything else is not likely to raise popularity of PvP.

And rational discussion is a prerequisite as well. Hate or contempt vocabulary of the "care bear" kind is inappropriate. So far, I did not find players not practising PvP defaming PvP players as brutes or rowdies. I would oppose such attitude as well.

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Daomei die Streunerin - religionsneutral, zivilisationsneutral, gildenneutral

#9 Added by Squires 1 decade ago  

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Thanks for taking the time for such a lovely reply Daomei im sure many will agree with you. but i dont

ill copy and paste....

Daomei im really sorry if i offended you i was using "carebears" in a half hearted way next time i will think twice! thanks for your reply

you must of missed it :)

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#10 Added by Fyrosfreddy 1 decade ago  

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Squires (atys)

because at the moment there is no point in faction wars

There's was once a point to faction wars ? :)

I had a discussion few months back with a long time Ryzom bud about why I don't enjoy PvP (he does very much). He asked "well if ya want an OP mat & the OP that makes it is owned by the other faction, how are ya gonna get one ?"

To which I replied ... "Well pre-merge, I usually just asked." The conversation stopped for a good long time as the concept was foreign. There's no wrong way to play the game as long as the CoC is adhered to. When traveling, should sneaking be outlawed and "ya must blast your way through" method enforced?

Four guys get together to play poker every Saturday night. "Dealer's choice" allows the dealer to pick the variant of the game they each enjoy most. Now if one tries to enforce a "only texas hoidem" rule, what happens ? Next Saturday he plays alone. If we want the game to remain viable, we should allow each player the same opportunities.

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#11 Added by Firstdo 1 decade ago  

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I like the Idea, however people will make their way around it using Neutral alts to trade.

#12 Added by Veg 1 decade ago  

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squires, should show respect to Deomei.

#13 Added by Daomei 1 decade ago  

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I think that Squires commented quite appropriately following up my remarks, no offense taken. I just felt that some polemics against non pvp players were spreading over Ryzom lately, Squires far not the worst at all. Proposals how to improve every aspect of the game are valuable, for PvP of course as well as for any other. Yet I think the baseline should rather be motivating, encourageing etc. rather than hindering oder forcing.

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Daomei die Streunerin - religionsneutral, zivilisationsneutral, gildenneutral

#14 Added by Tumbleweed 1 decade ago  

#15 Added by Bitttymacod 1 decade ago  

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I'd like to point out a severe roleplay problem with this proposal: Enemies trade with each other all the time.

Imagine if you will that Be'Nary Broggan needs rubbarn and his guild owns a tekorn OP. Wile Saracini really wants to equip his elite melee troops with tekorn weapons and owns a rubbarn OP. Each of them have enough allies that any attempt to take the other's OP is likely to fail. Do you really think that they are not going to work out a temporary truce to each get what they want?

It could be a most amazing RP setup, complete with the necessity of suppressing the hot-heads on each side to benefit the whole of each guild.

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