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#1 Added by Daomei 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Recently, we experience roleplay in the nations to die down. This has different reasons.

One, to name first, is the retreat of english speaking players (they may as well be italian, spanish, romanian, or russian) from roleplay. Even initially there were not so many, but at the moment there are none in some nations (especially the desert), and fewer in the rest.

There is a prominent problem for them: timezones. Ryzom still is very much UTC+-2 leaned, all significant events taking place in that time window. That is a pity as we have not so few players in the Americas and Asia/Pacific. The core problem here is lack of event guides. As a player, I would (though not always) not bother to participate in events and assemblies taking part after midnight of the timezone I am mostly in, but things are more tricky for GM and event managers who have ways more workload and responsability. Volunteers for that challenging (though not always pleasant) job from the other side of the pond would help a lot.

Beneath that I would like english speaking RP interested players - I know there are not few - to speak out: What is wrong with RP, why do you not participate or stopped to do so, what could be done to bring you back or make you join? After all, english is the language with the least barriers, most players understand it.

Next is the problem of local vs. national assemblies. Technically, the event team would be relieved from a lot of not overly productive workload by less local assemblies. On the other hand, we have a great imbalance in roleplay. Roughly 50% of the active roleplayers stem from Aniro, but about 80-90% of those holding a citizenship.

On Leanon, roleplay was dominated by neutrals, most of them not citizens of any nation, some by neglect, but not so few by conviction (as all neutral hominists). French roleplayers honored and valued citizenship ways higher in their roleplay. I don't know so much about the situation on Arispotle, only recognized that the Akenak could not be manned for Atys years due to lack of voters.

Therefore, practically all assemblies are dominated by the French roleplayers. It would be absurd to blame them for. Yet, this endangers the survival of roleplay in the other communities, much more as there are differences in RP style as well as in rules for participation.

To give an example: Matis excludes all non nobles from nation RP. Minimum criterion of nobility is Matis vassal, leader or HO in a national guild with at least 5 active members, promotion by the court. Simple Matis citizens (vassals) enjoy no rights. Tryker is bit less strict. Full participation only for citizens, second class participation for residents. Historical participation rights for diaspora Trykers (if not citizen of other nation) still in effect in Windermeer (Leanon community). Jungle even more strict: must be Kamist and Zorai citizen (min Initiate, for higher service Awakened), more liberal admission granted previously by the theocracy of Leanon challenged and fought by Aniro Zorai. Fyros is granting rights to citizens (patriots) only, more liberal special voting right from Leanon (non patriot Fyros not citizen of other nation) still valid in Dyron.

This means that "Aniro rules" are likely to exclude the vast majority of Leanon roleplayers from RP. I suspect it is not so much better for former Arispotle roleplayers.

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Daomei die Streunerin - religionsneutral, zivilisationsneutral, gildenneutral

#2 Added by Daomei 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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The above addressed the "legal" situation. The factual is somewhat worse. At the moment, roughly two third of international roleplay is revolving about some insults of Akenak Icus against Zorai and Matis in the first national assembly in Pyr. While that conflict was amusing to some extent in the beginning, it is becoming a burden and boredom and has lead to a deadlock in roleplay.

1. The crisis Hoi Cho vs. Akenak Icus
After spouting aspersions against Zorai ("dogs", "sucking gingos"), and the representative of Hoi Cho (Leanon) Zorai, Zhoi, Icus has distracted from his behavior by a blame game asserting Zhoi had insulted the Fyros people and emperor Lykos (by asking Icus about his strange behaviour in the assembly). This has triggered official letters of Hoi Cho to Senate and Imperial court unanswered til now, possibly because the event team is not sure how to act without alienating one of the sides.

2. The crisis Matis vs. Akenak Icus
Icus has further insulted the Matis noble Salazar Carradini and the Matis calling the Matis stupid and irrelevant, more or less interjecting a demand of emperor Lycos directed to the foreign representatives. The Matis have taken offense and reacted swiftly, demanding an apology by Icus and that he should spend an Atys year as guest of a noble house in the kingdom learning about Matis customs, politeness, and florist occupation.

This response was clearly amusing and a roleplay highlight. The consequences are dire, though. It is clear that a Fyros will feel that demand a humiliation, being forced into exile close to imprisonment in a country he dislikes. Thus, even Fyros feeling Icus being a fool and thoughtless bully would defend him when refusing to bow to that demand. On the other hand, the Matis can argue that their offer is generous and in no way dishonoring. That way, Matis-Fyros relations are caught in a deadlock, recently.

3. The crisis Hoi Cho vs. Jen Lai or Feylin vs. Zhoi

Further on an additional rift has been opened. Awakened Feylin has been present when Icus insulted both Zhoi and the Zorai, and as far as she didn't get all of the insults she was well informed afterwards. She has not done anything to defend her Zorai compatriot, on contrary happily held conversation with the Thesos Fyros even when they further scolded the absent Zhoi in their sessions. This once more awakened the impression of French vs. the others roleplay, bad thing. All other contributions of Feylin in the conflict with Icus did not provide better impressions. Beneath that, the refusal to recognize Leanon traditions are a growing burden on inter Zorai relations.

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#3 Added by Daomei 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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A way to get back to constructive roleplay would be to end the Icus related quarrels. As a possibility, the Senate of the Burning Desert could declare (in response to Zhoi's letters to Senate and Sharükos) that they acknowledge the merits of Hoi Cho representative and former (Leanon) Zorai Ambassador Zhoi in the relations between the theocracy and the Empire and do not see any offence uttered by Zhoi against the Fyros people, the Empire, or the Sharükos. Further on that they hope for a reconciliation of the conflict between Akenak Icus and Zhoi. Such minor slap Icus must sustain for his unconstructive and childish blame game. And Zhoi should be content with.

With the Matis, the matter is more complicate, as both sides have taken extreme positions. The key might be that Akenak Icus admits that his insults of foreign guests in a national assembly in presence of the Sharükos were a mistake and that he regrets them and assumes responsibility. That were what could be expected from a warrior dedicated to truth, honor, justice, and discipline. In such case, the Matis could hardly uphold the demand that the Akenak humiliates himself by going to the Kingdom like a pupil. They could state that they still uphold their invitation, even for a shorter period that a full Atys year, as a sign of mutual trust.

After that, probably international RP could shift to subjects of more interests, best such resulting in small spontaneous events after an assembly. That was what we had on Leanon, repeatedly. Recently, the Igaras in Upper Bog may be a target to name just one.

Btw. in Fyros, Icus has opened another row by asserting a ban of bearing arms during an assembly and bossing Diwu by refusing her right to speak. That conflict is also to be resolved. None of the Leanon Fyros or inhabitants of the Burning Desert is willing to be made a dog or slave of Icus. All free inhabitants of the desert have the absolute right to carry and bear arms anytime. (I have to correct that and to apologize. Icus and Bardor have shown me that the ban of weapons has been decided in an Akenak session unanimously. As much as I consider that rule idiotic, my accusation is proven false and inappropriate.)

**) as a final comment: I experienced Icus as a friendly, helpful, and sympathetic player most times, and my criticism only concerns his conduct in roleplay. I am aware that most of that is meant humorous or sarcastic, not hostile. Yet transporting humour over language boundaries is one of the most challenging tasks, and most times fails.

Edited 5 times | Last edited by Daomei (1 decade ago)

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#4 Added by Feylin 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Daomei (atys)
Jungle even more strict: must be Kamist and Zorai citizen (min Initiate, for higher service Awakened), more liberal admission granted previously by the theocracy of Leanon challenged and fought by Aniro Zorai.

I have to correct you on this, but first : what do you call nation RP ? If it is attending to the assembly and being able to speak, it is not so strict as you think.
Assemblies are not reserved to Zoraï kamist citizens, we of course accept ambassadors, but even anybody who come and sit down. (except marauders maybe)
Speaking may be a matter if something openly against Kami is said : hey, it's a Theocracy !
The fact that there have been rules to follow is not preventing peoples to participate.

If now you include the rights to "vote" , then yes, of course it's reserved to citizens, official citizens, that is Initiates. I put you in the challeng of finding an IRL land where foreigners have a voice to decide the future of the country.
This is just logical, as would say my hero Spock ... or Sheldon Cooper

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#5 Added by Bardor 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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I would say, it's the same in the desert, sure only patriots may vote for akenak and only akenak may vote at an assembly (though it's hardly a problem as there are less candidates than openings). But every homin may attend and speak at the assembly, and in fact I recall many sessions on Aniro having more foreigners than patriots attending.
Regarding the mentioned weapon ban it's not an Icus thing, and less an Aniro one. This law was proposed on the first Pyr assembly by akenak Arrlon and approved unanimously.

#6 Added by Daomei 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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I would be grateful for a transcript of that "law" and the session. I am not aware that Akenos Arrlon had a mandate from the Dyron community to impose a weapon ban on the Fyros people. And if such a "law" slipped through without discussion, much worse. None of the patriots present at the last (failed) assembly in Dyron was aware of such a "law" nor did anyone speak out in defense of.

I still consider that a disgrace and a breach with all traditions of the burning desert. We living here are a people of warriors, not traders, not courtiers, and not clerics. We are the shield and sword of the Empire. Only tyrants have to fear the people in arms.

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#7 Added by Icus 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Daomei (atys)
I would be grateful for a transcript of that "law" and the session. I am not aware that Akenos Arrlon had a mandate from the Dyron community to impose a weapon ban on the Fyros people. And if such a "law" slipped through without discussion, much worse. None of the patriots present at the last (failed) assembly in Dyron was aware of such a "law" nor did anyone speak out in defense of.

I still consider that a disgrace and a breach with all traditions of the burning desert. We living here are a people of warriors, not traders, not courtiers, and not clerics. We are the shield and sword of the Empire. Only tyrants have to fear the people in arms.


Taken from the akenak meeting we had before the official meeting
Icus dit : any other topic ?
Arrlon dit : 2 law no weapon
Arrlon dit : 3 turnament
Arrlon dit : 4
Arrlon dit : celebration comback
Arrlon dit : we hace another point
Bardor dit : what do you mean about no weapon law ?
Icus dit : well celebration comeback and turnament can go together but yeah
Gunbra dit : Yes i'm ok with that
Arrlon dit : we will allow no weapons on any akenak meeting
Icus dit : well this isn't allowed at the moment no ?
Bardor dit : I think that's already the case no ?
Arrlon dit : not shure
Bardor smiles : come with one to check
Gunbra dit : So let's clear this point on sunday
Arrlon dit : yes
Icus dit : Yep
Arrlon dit : we think we have to make a new law in that case
Arrlon dit : but we will talk on sunday
Icus dit : any other point ?
Arrlon dit : (malin takeed to some event team so we need an new law for the weapons)
and during the meeting
Dios Apotheps dit : Good, while all others read the proposal, we can go on to the next topics. It is about no weapons.
Bardor dit : i agree, it's a long topic, let's give it some meditation time
Icus dit : This point doesn't seems to be the same in all local assembly
Salazar tmakes some notes.
Elvinfyre Agan
Icus dit : But it is obvious to me that people can't wear weapons in the akenak/akenos assemblyu
Arrlon nod
Elvinfyre s'incline devant Agan.
Arrlon dit : yes it should be
Icus dit : Fine
Icus dit : Let's vote then
Lerya est d'accord avec Icus.
Yenno fait un signe à Lerya.
Icus dit : akenak, please raise your hand if you agree with that
Arrlon rais his hand
Icus raise his hand
Gunbra lève une main approbative
Bardor hardly sees the point of such a trivial matter but raises its hand
Daavics raises hand.
Gunbra raise his hand
Marceline raises two hands
Thorthehammer dit : (put your hand down, Marce)
Yenno Raises Three hands
Icus dit : Then this is confirmed

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#8 Added by Daomei 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Well. I see that this strange "law" was indeed voted for by the akenak. I was not aware and I do not see that Akenos Arrlon was mandated for by the Dyron community. I still consider it counterimmersive and useless, if not harmful, especialliy in the disgraceful environment of the imperial hall inviting intrusion by assassins from outside. In such a case, all loyal participants will be unarmed and lose time with equipping for defense.

Still I consider the right of the people of the desert to wear arms anytime fundamental. I do not see that the akenak was entitled to pass such a regulation.

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#9 Added by Icus 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Daomei (atys)
Well. I see that this strange "law" was indeed voted for by the akenak. I was not aware and I do not see that Akenos Arrlon was mandated for by the Dyron community. I still consider it counterimmersive and useless, if not harmful, especialliy in the disgraceful environment of the imperial hall inviting intrusion by assassins from outside. In such a case, all loyal participants will be unarmed and lose time with equipping for defense.

Still I consider the right of the people of the desert to wear arms anytime fundamental. I do not see that the akenak was entitled to pass such a regulation.

This is why Icusd is akenak and not Daomei. Because he sees why.

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#10 Added by Salazar 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Regarding the carrying of weapons, it was never allowed at Assemblies in Leanon Matia. I doubt it was allowed at Assemblies in the Leanon Witherings, but am pretty sure it was always forbidden in our Lakelands. I have to confess that I never observed if the Fyros on Leanon carried weapons during the Assemblies in the Agora. I know I never carried a weapon there while I was representing the Chamber of Nobles, as a sign of good will.

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#11 Added by Daomei 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Filira Salazar,

As the Matis assemblies on Leanon never were public, I cannot judge about. I recall that Honorary Initiate Zhoi applied for and let pass a weapon ban during Assemblies of the Circles of the Theocracy only after a certain person with marauder sympathies had disturbed the assembly repeatedly by wielding and changing weapons and harrassing participants with.

As for Lakelands, weapons were always allowed. Ambassador Wasari once complained about the glittering of my tekorn daggers and asked for unwielding to which I complied for politeness. It was not a rule or law though, neither at the National Assembly of Trykers nor at the Assemblies of the Council of Taliari.

In Fyros bearing weapons was always allowed. I recall very well that an exceptional rule was decided by the Akenak after Taliar Dachsli had threatened Akenak Curtos with his axe to deny Taliar Dachsli the right to bear arms during Akenak sessions because of his misbehaviour. He resisted and had to be thrown out of the city by the guards.

Even then, the right of the people of the desert and any guest to carry and bear arms was not doubted nor limited in any way. Your memories must deceive you under that respect.

with due respect

Daomei Lin Carthan

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#12 Added by Daomei 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Daomei (atys)
Still I consider the right of the people of the desert to wear arms anytime fundamental. I do not see that the akenak was entitled to pass such a regulation.

This is why Icusd is akenak and not Daomei. Because he sees why.

I do not see that you were appointed Akenak to ridicule the people of the desert and to destroy our traditions of being free warriors. Having lived all of my adult life in the desert, being honored in person by the late Sharükos, the Great Dexton, for my efforts in defense of the Empire and the Sharükos, I see no reason to step back from my opinions and my statements. We are free people in arms, united behind our leader, the Sharükos. Denying us the right of carrying and bearing arms anytime is an insult.


As an aside: My opinion is that any weapon ban is idiotic. Assassins will be happy as loyal participants have to equip first before they are able to defend themselves or others.

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#13 Added by Salyn 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Now, this topic is hairy considering everyone has different levels of involvment and get tickled by different things. I wouldn't proclaim so easily "end of something" before that something has been beaten into the ground and is actively refused by players.

My personal two cents are that politics is not an interesting endeavour if something useful or at least entertaining doesn't come out of it.

Sure, Icus interpreting a rabid fyros was nice to see when it happened, and maybe for 2-3 days after. Seeing him booted from the Noble assembly when he finally refused to apologise was equally interesting (would've been more interesting to see him duel guards and get his ass kicked, but oh well, we take what we can get). Following the tryker constitution debates? Maybe, to a less degree, depends on person. Two zorais nitpicking over a title? Oh please.

Long story short, the assemblies and national gatherings fail to deliver in return for the time lost attending as an outsider.

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But leaving politics aside, a problem is the lack of roleplay in general. And as a side-note, the lack of communication and helping others in-game. Salyn has gone 3 days asking to BUY a sword and shield, low quality, after she hadn't found anything in the markets. Other players have equally troubling experiences with silent Uni chat and lack of response in capital Regions.

My Silan experience was ultra-nice in the beginning, the chatter and information intake were huge (this was back before the merger.. o tempora). The players could've taught me a little roleplay back then, a little lore, and I would've listened because that's what a newbie does. I would've learned from Uni, if there were chats with that theme. Sadly, Uni gets used mostly for "game Q&A", meaning game mechanics in practice. Little else. What I learned from Uni, in the week Silan took me, was how to say "hello" in the dialects of fyros and matis. Nothing else.

I'm not going to point fingers at a group or another, but before you request people get interested in politics, you must get people interested in RP. For that, you need to teach, both with words and behaviour. While not blaming you personally Daomei, I haven't seen you talking about neutrality and the Rangers much, eh? The most RP I've seen so far has been local, on the beaches of Fairhaven. And in French.

Why would this tryker toon love the lakes, or why would it love hominkind? Or why would it hate it like a marauder, either? Save for the old players without much new content to discover, most people must be talked into the fun that roleplaying is. Sadly, "talked into" doesn't mean writing in a forum until much later. It means being out there actively practicing what you preach. Living the kami love if you're religious, living the "sharing" principle if you're a citizen of a certain nation, etc etc.

I saw a post by Gilgamesh, in another thread, claiming we're all RPing by default because we're a toon in a fictional universe. Hogwash. We're humans behind toons, humans with different interests. I'm interested in leveling up, whatever the allegiance of my partners is. I'm interested in hunting around Atys, religion be damned. High stakes sometimes drive people into inactivity, making them scared to act.

tl;dr Step up the casual roleplay. Relax the requirements while at it.

(PS: You're talking IC in an OOC area. Step out of your roles for a moment, and speak about your toon in the third person. It helps.)

edit: With the exception of Feylin hosting the Seasonal Endowment of Jen-Lai, none of the previous posters has roleplayed in Uni in a long time. That speaks volumes.

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#14 Added by Daomei 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Thanks Salyn, at last an interesting account.

You are right so far, politics do not interest newcomers atm. I ask myself why. When I started on Leanon, I visited all assemblies, some were more, some less interesting, but all somehow, often they ended in small follow-up events such as hunting some kitins or other threat. I did not understand all what was told about, but it was fun. If it is not recently, we are doing something wrong. We all, me too, of course.

When you ask me why I do not talk about neutrality and rangers in the public, ok, I am a single person, no guild, no faction. I do not recommend that to anybody, it is a hard way to live on the bark, a challenge to those willing to accept lots of disadvantages, better to join a faction, a religion, a guild. I am a loner, and probably talking too much in the forums. As to the rangers, I hope that they come in soon as an organization, but it will take some time, work in progress. When there are possibilities to join them, I may advertise for.

Possibilities for newcomers to buy gear and weapon are not brilliant atm which is lamentable but off topic in this thread. One should open another one for.
Step up the casual roleplay. Relax the requirements while at it.

I agree. That is what we did on Leanon, and though the server was practically dying, the participation in roleplay was impressive, as was its attractivity. Recently I do not see so much of.

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Daomei die Streunerin - religionsneutral, zivilisationsneutral, gildenneutral

#15 Added by Salazar 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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edit: With the exception of Feylin hosting the Seasonal Endowment of Jen-Lai, none of the previous posters has roleplayed in Uni in a long time. That speaks volumes.

I tell you what: I never roleplayed in the Universe channel (originally only a kind of help request channel) in my life. And I'm not going to start. ;)

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Salazar Caradini
Filira Matia
Royal Historian
Member of the Royal Academy of Yrkanis
First Seraph of the Order of the Argo Navis
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