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Deleting local assembly ?
Yes, i do not want local assembly anymore (replacing them with capitals one)
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No, i want to keep them.
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#19 Added by Salazar 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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It's a bit unfair to play on the egos, Luth. But if you insist: May I remind you that it was me who made Icus a national theme on the Matis assemblies, therefore bringing together the three villages doing just their own bit seperated from the others? May I also remind you that I put the water road on a national map, while you tried to make it out only with Avalae (as Icus did repeatedly)? And it was also me who came to the Avalae Assembly recently with the proposal of an expedition (which involves the ET, though, which did not reply to me yet). I could have just layed back and stayed quiet on all these occasions, or could have kept everything on the German language stage and take a comfortable seat on the Davae Assembly, which I declined. Probably this has to do with ego, of course. You don't do politics without ego. You do politics to move things, not to keep them static - unless you're only there for the money (in real life) or as a paid/conducted vote bringer. If the will to move things has to do with ego, I agree with you. But if you see this as a loss instead of a profit, I couldn't disagree with you more.

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Salazar Caradini
Filira Matia
Royal Historian
Member of the Royal Academy of Yrkanis
First Seraph of the Order of the Argo Navis

#20 Added by Salazar 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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By the way, how's the vote? As said, I did not vote yet, but would like to know the counts.

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Salazar Caradini
Filira Matia
Royal Historian
Member of the Royal Academy of Yrkanis
First Seraph of the Order of the Argo Navis

#21 Added by Icus 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Daomei (atys)
To name one, the french community considers tagging and integrating PvP into roleplay an indispensible part of their roleplay life while this was rare and was frowned upon by many.
Wrong. A majority of rolist were untagged during the assembly back on aniro (on untagged almost 100% of the time, actually), and french rolist tagging is pretty recent (after very, very, very long debates on the french forum about this).
Beneath that, roleplay wins much of its richness from language. I received a transcript of the most recent session in Thesos and had a lot of opportunities to smile upon roleplay interaction, partially puns I did understand only after careful rereading, an excellent and amusing row between the celiakos and the barman, and several more. If I compare that with national meetings, they are ways less vivid, ways slower, taking much more time.
This is another problem ; we didn't have a lot of things to speak about during the meeting, and we needed the celiakos' approval. So we had to wait for his answer (and he had a crash in the middle of the meeting, which didn't helped). And if i don't personnally have problem with fast-typing, i can understand pretty well that people need time to write, so when i'm in charge of the assembly, i try to give time to people. Except when my toon don't want to let people answer, of course
A last word about a problem generously overlooked: The relative weakness of RP in the english speaking part of the community is to a considerable extent, though not only, a problem of timezones. It may be further a problem of lack of event managers on the other side of the Atlantic (though this is speculation from my side).
I remeber a thread on this forum saying that the event manager couldn't handle USA/australia timezone for events/assembly (so there's probably none in this timezone)

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#22 Added by Feylin 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Salazar (atys)
Third example: Look at the discussion re. Feylin and Zhoi. With Feylin's ignorance of the exceptional political status Zhoi earned by hard work, and the shyness of Sartyrica regarding the English language, in due time Feylin will be sort of sole political ruler of the Witherings.

Absolutely not my goal, irrelevant according to the Theocracy's Lore(rather tahna currently absent constitution), and absolutely not what will happening if I can choose (though i won't give up my role for that).
Although it may look like that on roleplaying view, this is an OOC discussion.
Daomei
Beneath that, roleplay wins much of its richness from language.
Agreed. I rather see local assemblies more rare, or maybe suspended to have time to see national things settled than totally disappearing.

I think (i may be wrong to make such assumptions) that right now, the Event Team has too much to do to prepare local Events and make local assemblies really animated. (i mean more than playing a NPC to participate), so they look useless right now. I don't think we can see this as definitive.

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#23 Added by Salazar 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Feylin (atys)
Salazar (atys)
Third example: Look at the discussion re. Feylin and Zhoi. With Feylin's ignorance of the exceptional political status Zhoi earned by hard work, and the shyness of Sartyrica regarding the English language, in due time Feylin will be sort of sole political ruler of the Witherings.

Absolutely not my goal, irrelevant according to the Theocracy's Lore(rather tahna currently absent constitution), and absolutely not what will happening if I can choose (though i won't give up my role for that).
Although it may look like that on roleplaying view, this is an OOC discussion.

I didn't suggest this as your goal. I do state this as the most likely consequence - IG as well as OOC.

Feylin (atys)
I think (i may be wrong to make such assumptions) that right now, the Event Team has too much to do to prepare local Events and make local assemblies really animated. (i mean more than playing a NPC to participate), so they look useless right now. I don't think we can see this as definitive.

Well, probably. I can't remember, though, a single local assembly in Davae animated by more than the presence of Libi Freldo in the Speaker's chair.

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Salazar Caradini
Filira Matia
Royal Historian
Member of the Royal Academy of Yrkanis
First Seraph of the Order of the Argo Navis

#24 Added by Daomei 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Personally, I think that the idea to trim down the frequency of regional vs. national assemblies to some extent is not bad. It may depend on the situation of the nation in question whether this means 1:1 at once or not.

In the desert, I would consider any trimming down unacceptable before and unless the function of the missing Akenos has been restored through by-election and/or nomination of provisional Akenos for the missing ones. The voting rights of the cities must not be infringed, that is not only true for Dyron, but also for Hoi-Cho, Windermeer, and Davae (I cannot speak for the english speaking community, and find the total lack of their presence in this debate lamentable).

The french friends should please reflect that this initiative, nearly unanimously approved by their community as far as expressed in the french forum, may have risen new concern and suspicion rather than contributing to strengthening the ties. In Germany there is a proverb "let's go fishing, the angler said to the worm" ;).

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#25 Added by Icus 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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You know, if you want to have more akenos/awakened/vassal/taliar, you just have to ask the conditions to the event mnager present ? They often aren't really hard to get, and the event manager won't probably refuse one people (because we aren't a lot, at the time), except if it is clearly troll/too much OOC.

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#26 Added by Salyn 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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How about we let each community choose its own pace? If French trykers want 3 local assemblies and it still seems too few, host 3. If English Fyros don't really have much to say, host 1-2 between national ones. I'm sure the event team would not mind.

Yes, they must be a function of the people's involvment, if the akenos stopped caring that's for a good reason, and if people aren't scrambling to take their place is for an equally good reason. Fix the people's desire to RP before you attempt to build politics on top of a shaky foundation.

#27 Added by Wasari 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Regardless it seems to be a little late I want to explain my very personal point of view to you.

On Leanon I've been the first ambassador of the Trykers and I did this job with great fun until the servers merged.

Now I will never have a chance to even play a small role in international politics because my English is poor so it’s easy to be misunderstood and that could be deadly in diplomacy. Also I can't react in discussions in time because until I understand the first argument the discussion stepped forward for five or six new statements – even with translation.

My only chance to be activ in a political way are the regional assemblies. So I'm looking forward to the new Tryker constituntion to install a local law for Windermeer where I can act as a citiy council or maybe even as something like a mayor. For national and international things I’ll have my Chanchey.

With an official mandate of my city I'm able to speak in another way to regional (German) assemblies than a mother, a jewelist or a member of The Free Soul. At the moment I have to follow the assemblies silently.

I have two projects for Windermeer in my mind and maybe there are some more ideas. At least one of them may breathe new life into the German assemblies and may be discussed in others.

So I need the regional assemblies for my personal roleplay.

But I’m only one player of I don’t know how much.

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#28 Added by Zorroargh 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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I vote other.

When I created NASA (ASA before the second swarm), one of the research topics that were launched by two old atysien fellows was:
"how can we make meetings more dynamic, shorter and less tedious among other with reports? "

When we got to get together after the second swarm with our new friends from other languages, we have taken as much as possible this research both for RP and OOC.
Very spontaneously - and in my humble opinion, with some success - , we were able to manage trilingual discussions with some very talented and very patient friends. With a few jugs of Tryker beer and a bit of Zoraï wisdom there was not only possible but also very funny.

The problem is not, according to me, the problem of translation. Everyone speaks in NASA meetings in his language and translators transcribe. I think the problem is the length of the meetings ... and we are trying to reproduce the default OOC "réunionites" (a French pejorative word made with "meeting-nitis") :/ There are too many points discussed as if we were afraid to miss one idea, while the majority of the points in the meeting does not interest everybody. How many people come only for "their" favorite topics and not the rest. It is not disinterest, but because the days have only 24 hours, one has to chose priorities.

At NASA, we study also how to improve the meeting itself. Sometimes we shamble OOC and RP (how often, how to manage priorities, events, game ...?). We do not have a miracle solution, but against all, those who are interested do not hesitate to participate and to enrich the NASA experience (I repeat that it is both OOC and RP) or just come and see how we are living our meetings. (Marauders are also welcome évidement ;))

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Zo'ro Argh
Chargé de recherche dans la guilde du Cercle du Bois d’Almati.
Ambassadeur des Rangers auprès des Matis.
Président de la N’ASA et fondateur de Hoodo.
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