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#66 Added by Brinnen 1 decade ago [en]

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Daomei (atys)

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An extremely problematic kind of RP, and a mistake frequently made, is "power RP", meaning RP actions which force the own RP behavior and its consequences onto others without their consent and without leaving them ways to develop their own RP responses. There is, unfortunately, an example in the event thread which led to this discussion. I mean the two "chronical articles" by Tao Sian, which indeed are an abhorrent example of power RP in two ways.

First, the form of a chronicle makes the contents uncontestable, as it is describing present and near future events from a wider future perspective (unless one assumes that the author was suffering from serious confusion when writing it down or is living in some parallel reality). So we "know" that the major threat of that year 2574 were not the Kitins, not assassination attempts of the clans of the marauders, not the Goo or anything else, but the Atys Rangers threatening the living planet with "the Ruin of Atys".

This does not leave many alternatives to those who have worked since many Atys cycles on the solution the Rangers had proposed. Either they agree to Tao Sian, then they cannot but abandon the damaging undertaking. Or they judge that either the dynastic healer has swallowed some wrong medicine, or even the heads of the Theocracy have lost their senses. While the Rangers never have condemned the search for alternative solutions of the Kitin tunnel threat, this approach practically calls for destruction of the "competing" event series with the termites.

I was a bit sad to see such from a member of the animation team. I hope that grave mistake in the arrangement can be corrected. I consider it intolerable that the players who contributed to the Rangers' event are vilified and frustrated in that way.

And that is an example how roleplay must not be done.

This is actually very interesting.

Let’s clear up some things first:
- The form of a chronicle does not make the content uncontestable. It only show the vision a character has/had on a certain event. A chronicle is not objective, it only shows what it is meant to show. Why do you think scenarists like to refer to things like “History is written by the victor”. Or, let’s say, that History as we know it is made by a great number of Chroniclers. All these Chroniclers do not make the facts uncontestable.
- The chronicle is probably an excerpt of a greater number of Chronicle. So, we can safely assume that Tao Sian mentioned a lot of other events in her complete Chronicles. So basically, we can safely assume as well that the Atys Rangers were not the main event of year 2574.

I think we should wait for further developments before reading into what the storyteller does.

Furthermore, the Rangers are still up and running. They will continue their experiences and, I guess, try to cope with the Zoraïs (who loves Zoraïs anyway? – annoying bunch of fanatics :-D).

Now, I would tend to agree that the event manager/guide who prepared these events did not think it fully through. This can be seen due to errors in the casting of characters. Let’s say it’s probably miscast (but that’s another matter). Anyway, it is just one side of the story, not the whole story.

Finally, I would insist on the difference between Power RP and Storytelling. Par essence, story telling is Power RP. But this is normal because the storyteller tells us how the world our characters live in is evolving. The storyteller is the game master, he has every right to set the constraints we have to act in. It is part of what makes the game interesting to follow.
Now, Power RP, as what the Maraudeurs often apply for instance, is annoying. It feels like “Let’s say we are the terriblest baddassest warriors evah with overpowerful stuff and overpowerful technology and overpowerful, overlong and overthick masculine attributes”. And it’s rightfully annoying, because they are no game masters. They don’t set the rules of the world of Atys.

Hmm, I think this answer is already long enough, I will wait for your answer and answer back after :-p. Let’s share our thoughts.

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Brinnen Tu'Ly, le poisson noir

#67 Added by Salazar 1 decade ago [en]

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I agree with Brinnen on that. The chronicle - written by someone from his or her own view - has nothing to do with force on players. If that would be the case, there would be no need in RP at all - for all those damned Zorai and Tryker chroniclers simply stated that Matis are evil warlords and/or slavers. From that point of view, I could stop doing RP immediately. In the mentioned case it also gives not the slightest indication of the outcome, so I don't see any reason to take this as misleading or wrong or forcing.

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Salazar Caradini
Filira Matia
Royal Historian
Member of the Royal Academy of Yrkanis
First Seraph of the Order of the Argo Navis

#68 Added by Rollocks 1 decade ago [en]

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Salazar (atys)

I agree ..... that Matis are evil warlords and/or slavers.

See I told you Matis were evil! <snicker>

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Disclaimer: Any resemblance between the characters in this post/thread and any homins, living or dead, is a miracle.* The characters in this post/thread are fictitious. Any homin resembling them is better off dead**
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**I'll Never Heil Again

#69 Added by Zhoi 1 decade ago [en]

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I suggest that Feylin, Geyos and Icus should form a comedy-trio!

1. Feylin starts this thread by complaining that s/he was allegedly unfairly accused of "driving out the representative of Hoi Cho from Zorai RP", which in fact proves as having been the truth, since s/he really did not accept (neither IC nor OOC) the title of "honorary initiate" of Zhoi, a representative of the Zorai of Hoi-Cho and in fact: at the time of this discussion Feylin did not want Zhoi to "represent" the Theocracy anymore...

Feylin was also claiming that "former Leanon" allegedly tried to "impose" the title "honorary initiate" on him/her/other players, while in fact this title had already been re-confirmed (votings) and also described/announced (forums) for the new server Atys in front of her/his eyes since January. And to top it off Feylin showed indignation and verbally accused his/her conversation partner after being pointed towards evidences that s/he made a mistake with his/her former allegations...

2. Geyos starts another thread complaining about players who answer IC to his pejorative / insulting thought-emotes about their characters, reacting as if they had heard/guessed them (which is a perfectly legal and accepted way in MMORPGs). Geyos was acting as if it was an insolence of others to defend themselves instead of taking his abuse by power-emotes silently...

3. And now Icus posts an explanation about the difference between IC/RP and OOC/HRP...

Icus of all people, the only one who repeatedly uses OOC-tricks during RP on purpose to annoy other players - by using French thought-emotes including the names of characters of non-French-speaking players, just to prevent them from replying to his abuse, even though he can speak English very well.

Icus, who is telling other players that they shall not mention anything that happened on their former servers IC, but himself repeatedly insults characters from former Leanon-players about allegedly "not knowing" about "history/facts" that were only Aniro-specific; during nearly every roleplaying-session...

Do you people really have no ablilty of self-reflection at all?

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#70 Added by Feylin 1 decade ago [en]

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Zhoi (atys)

I suggest that Feylin, Geyos and Icus should form a comedy-trio!

Sorry for you, I only work solo, one (wo)man show

I see that nothing is gonna ever being forgotten or forgiven, I suggest that we make 3 servers to split the community.

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Fey-Lin Liang
Li'laï-ko
Talian-Zu

#71 Added by Zilon 1 decade ago [en]

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hey, vous savez quoi, vous êtes gonflant, alors tapez vous une bonne fois sur la tronche et arrêtez de martyriser ce pauvre forum qui a rien demandé =).

yes, i post in french (mais que fais la police), anyway nobody try to understand the other one, why I should bother me to write in english (zut en fait je le fait quand même =) so stop now!

and Zhoi, ok you think Feylin, Geyos and Icus are not fair whith you, and maybe it's true,but try to understand why, i can also write a post in the same kind of yours about you or daomei if i want.

everybody is in fault, so take your part of it and stop, please!!!

sinon je revient poster, et tout en français ce coup si =p

#72 Added by Daomei 1 decade ago [en]

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I would suggest not to get into quarreling, again. Such will not add to the attractivity of RP, on contrary. Forming a consensus about our Lore and a more or less common history are of greatest importance. That, again, has to be negotiated, which will be neither easy nor painless.

Btw. my critque concerning the prophetic chronicle shall not sound ungrateful. I highly value and acknowledge the work of the animators who have designed and are taking care of both the Rangers' and Zorai/Matis events and am curious of the further developments. I want to thank them both at this opportunity.

Another thing seeming important in RP Icus mentioned is, to which extent scientific terms should or must not be introduced. For my part, I accept the critique for a term like biomass, though only to some extent, as the difference of matter of living and non-living nature precedes the modern ages by centuries if not longer, and the world of the homins is quite modern under a couple of respects. Similarly it is inappropriate to use terms like genetics which in the narrow sense require electron microscopy which we do not have. Mendelian observations, on the other hand, may certainly have been made by so careful gardeners like the Matis. So, being careful with such terms and ideas is surely an important hint and a good idea.

What kind of technological understanding we have should be discussed further, anyway, better in a seperate thread.

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Daomei die Streunerin - religionsneutral, zivilisationsneutral, gildenneutral

#73 Added by Zhoi 1 decade ago [en]

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Zilon (atys)

and Zhoi, ok you think Feylin, Geyos and Icus are not fair whith you, and maybe it's true,but try to understand why, i can also write a post in the same kind of yours about you or daomei if i want.

Then do so and try to prove your words instead of just accusing me falsely! Yes, I'm calling you a liar.

Daomei (atys)

I would suggest not to get into quarreling, again.

Forget it, because I've had it with all the mobbing going on in Ryzom! I won't tolerate this any longer.

Roleplaying is totally loosing it's fun as some people are using unfair means and picking on each other; while being "tolerated" or even supported in doing so by the Event-Team. And RP in Ryzom is going down especially because of these few people who are using griefing methods, who are supported by too many "friends" even inside the Event-Team, and who are attacking and accusing others OOC unfairly as well in these forums here to boot. This is unbearable.

I might have forgotten about this thread if Feylin hadn't posted here again. And I am not happy to see that s/he is still attacking others for small things that might in fact be her own mistakes. Like about posting IC in a thread that might very well be IC, but Feylin assumes "must" be OOC...

Only the Event-Team can clear this up and can tell us if the thread was "meant" IC or OOC, as a public letter or a private one or whatever. So go and ask the Event-Team if you want this matter solved! Otherwise I have to assume that you just like to quarrel, Daomei and Feylin. You're doing this in a public forum/board for others to read, so stop telling others that they shall stay out of the fight if you yourself are enjoying fighting.

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#74 Added by Feylin 1 decade ago [en]

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I posted again in this thread to have my concern with Daomei not pollute the discussion of the originial post.
This one was already a nice garbage for such considerations.

But well, next time I rather simply send a private message, I should have learned the first time.
I ask this thread to be closed. After all, too much people didn't talk about me, this is not good for my ego and contradict the title.

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Fey-Lin Liang
Li'laï-ko
Talian-Zu

#75 Added by Arfur 1 decade ago [en]