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#46 Added by Zhoi 1 decade ago [en] 

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You know that this is highly unfair. And this is what I really hate - being picked on OOC.

Facts are:
I have already informed the other communities about this topic.
Not at all in a "blackhole"! Instead in the second (!) post in one of the very few political RP-threads of mine in the English roleplay Forum. And it is a thread that is still active and is permanently updated.
I have taken the trouble to write all this in details in English, additional to the German minutes/records.
I am trying my best to be considerate, informative, communicative.

You have not used the search-function of the forum even a single time.
You didn't care at all, at least not enough to even try to inform yourself.
Instead you have falsely accused me that I have not informed anyone about this title. You can see now that you have been wrong about that.

Instead of appreciating all the troubles I took you are doing the exact opposite: you are verbally attacking and accusing me again!?
This is why I hate having OOC-fights more than anything else.
IC between characters this would not pose any problem at all.

You are telling me that I shall not decide what you can ignore!? Seriously?! What would you say if I did the same to you, by ignoring everything you say from now on - using this same "reasoning"?
And frankly, putting you on my ignore-list is what I really should consider after your last post :(
Feylin(Atys)
Believe me or not, but I didn't read this whole topic. It is supposed to be your local assembly only, and not speak about national matters. So I clicked fast on this thread to have it considered "read" and not shown in the forum.
Then, checking fast new forum message, I found your proposal about the organisation of the assembly of Zora and then answered.
Who are you to decide what i know and what i ignore ? Seriously ?!

Hell, you act like a Vogon : plans for the destruction of your planet were available on Alpha from Centaur since 50 years ago, it's no longer the time to protest !

These informations have not been given, they have been made available in a blackhole of the forum.

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#47 Added by Daomei 1 decade ago [en] 

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Sorry Zhoi, I did not see that Feylin blamed you. But I am sure she has a damn lot to do with all Jen Lai stuff, guild, RP, normal gameplay and not to forget fun in Ryzom. Maybe she overlooked that because she had a certain opinion, view or impression, even a bit prejudiced one. We all happen to have that at times, you too.

Btw. I seldom use the search function either, I don't want to pick on the devs, but it is neither the best working nor the most clearly arranged. And have in mind that english is not Feylin's native language as it is not yours.

I read that Feylin has now understood and seen things not clear to her previously. Why the <censored> can't you take that as a starting point for a new beginning and improvement of relations?

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#48 Added by Zhoi 1 decade ago [en] 

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You forgot the [irony]-bracelets, Daomei.
Feylin(Atys)
This is simply because you come and say hey, i'm honorary intitiate. Nothing more, and several month later we discover what this means, and because time has passed we(actually I) should have nothing to say.
You don't really think that I am able to bear interpreting a post in such an offending tone, Feylins players denigrating my efforts, accusing me instead of hinting at an apology or at least a concession, as an "improvement"? I have been picked on by this person IC and also OOC over and over again; and there has not been a single time s/he has ever taken back any offending thing s/he said at all.

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#49 Added by Feylin 1 decade ago [en] 

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Thanks Daomei, fortunately I 've read your post before finishing my own answer :)

Zhoi, you imply that I know perfectly something that I have been asking for all along this thread. You clearly imply that I am of bad faith in this whole thing, do you think this is not verbally offensive ?

You put the informations somewhere, this is not the same as to give them. This somewhere is entitled "Assemblies of the Circles of Hoï-Cho" so you can't reasonnably expect that someone who don't feel concerned by Hoï-Cho will examine each message in this thread.

I didn't tell about deciding what I CAN ignore, but what I DO ignore. This is not about voluntarily ignoring something, or someone, sorry if you misunderstood that.

Please excuse me to call you a Vogon, I should have waited to hear some poetry from yours before making my mind. (by the way, I hope the "Vogon" translated name is not too different, but see Galactic HitchHickers Guide)

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#50 Added by Daomei 1 decade ago [en] 

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Actually, if Feylin now chooses to take offense from your post, she may answer once more in a bit polemic tone, causing you to take offense once more, et cetera ad infinitum. I fail to see much benefit in for political RP.

There have been problems. in communication, interpretation, understanding, probably even in conduct against one another. I simply do not see that it serves anything to distribute guilt or put blame on anybody.

I can read, anyway, that the facts about the rank of a honorary initiate, and even the proposals of further usage thereof in Hoi Cho now are known and communicated, and accepted as well. I consider that a lot of progress.

Even if everybody assumes guilt, takes the blame, apologizes without ending, I cannot see that it would change the past. Is there no possibility just to say ok, that point settled, let us go forward?

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#51 Added by Feylin 1 decade ago [en] 

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Oh (just read Zhoi between our posts, Daomei and me) following was not meant to be ironic, but just a joke. I guess I rather precise.
Feylin (atys)
Please excuse me to call you a Vogon, I should have waited to hear some poetry from yours before making my mind. (by the way, I hope the "Vogon" translated name is not too different, but see Galactic HitchHickers Guide)

Picking IC and OOC over and over again ? Well, IC this has been reciprocal, and though i started it (i know it very well), I have the feeling (not saying it has to be the only truth) that Zhoi did more in answer.
I only acted IC, and never meaning to be griefing, if so I would have resume our private izam messages exchanges. On the contrary I stopped because it was beginning to be too heavy for me.

Because I argued on the honorary initiate title, which your are the only one so far to have, I understand that you could have felt this a personal attack, but as i said earlier, my purpose was just to give my point of view about the title, and its consequences.

(if anything else, sorry but i have to go, no time to examine everything else on this thread)

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#52 Added by Feylin 1 decade ago [en] 

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Huhu, I just realized I made a translation big mistake here
Feylin (atys)
Who are you to decide what i know and what i ignore ?

And repeated here :
I didn't tell about deciding what I CAN ignore, but what I DO ignore

In french there is the verb "ignorer" that can simply mean "not to know" something, as well as sometimes "voluntarily not paying attention to" (more like "ignore" in english).

Now i understand why Zhoi talked about ignore list. My apologize for this mistake leading to more useless tension.

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#53 Added by Ingfarah 1 decade ago [en] 

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My sincere thanks, Zhoi, for saying there are also german jerks.

***Fades in the background***

#54 Added by Eruv 1 decade ago [en] 

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hay ingy if no one mentioned the english jerks , (mentions) ta-da!
honestly the cartoon in the respect post is right, most of the loud people are jerks the ones who talk the most, the quiet ones are usually quite nice but you never know they exist so it's easy to feel like you are only surrounded by jerks =)

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#55 Added by Salazar 1 decade ago [en] 

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Eruv (atys)
most of the loud people are jerks the ones who talk the most, the quiet ones are usually quite nice but you never know they exist

I guess it's pretty hard to do RP with a mute character, even if he/she is nice, and I guess political RP would even be harder if the politician stays quiet ...

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#56 Added by Atys 1 decade ago [en] 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAA1xgTTw9w

#57 Added by Feylin 1 decade ago [en] 

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Okay, it's time to exhume this thread.

Daomei, you are boring with your assumptions about me, here : double standards.
There is a difference between such comments InGame and here, in OOC thread, about me as a player.
Let me tell you something : each thing that you will try to make me change my way to play just tends to have me do the exact opposite, so just leave me alone !

Act in a roleplay manner if you believe it is right, or just keep your paranoid thougths for yourself.

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#58 Added by Bitttymacod 1 decade ago [en] 

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Um... Feylin?  If you are commenting in an EN thread, it might be nice if further references could be included, even if in FR or DE so that those of us who are interested might be able to follow a reason *why* you feel that Daomei is attacking you as a player. 

Looking at the link you provided, I see no further way to figure out what the *bleep* is going on.  If the matter is one that is limited to the FR forums, then comment in this thread is not relevant.  If it is relevant to this thread, then allowing those of us who care to follow the matter to do so would be appreciated.

Note, I am NOT asking for EN translations of all relevant material, but rather that EN speakers like myself be pointed at least to the posting that we might put into Goo-trad, since the search function isn't all that good and the search function in a foreign language will be less so.

Thank you -  Bittty.

Post scriptum -- I found some of the EN postings (my connection at the moment is very poor), but still don't understand.

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#59 Added by Daomei 1 decade ago [en] 

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I want to shortly explain what I felt to be double standards.

Feylin expressed sadness about an in her opinion misfitting comment in the English forum "Events (Arispotle)". From the context (if I was wrong I appreciate standing corrected) I figured that the comment by Arfur was meant
#3

My mildly sarcastic comment about possible double standards referred to comments on the according French forum "Events (Aniro)" , in particular
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The latter was longer and contained strong accusations against the rangers' event and its participants.

I fail to see that Arfur's short comment was not in character and not roleplay. As far as the event announcement is seen as a chronicle article which must not be disputed (a notion I strongly contradict) it is true for both threads.

Therefore, either both comments are inappropriate or none of them. In my opinion both are perfectly on topic, and appropriate. That I strongly disagree to Ridditch's comment for a couple of reasons does not change anything with that.

So I indeed suspect double standards when attempting to educate Arispotle roleplayers while accepting the same thing with Aniro roleplayers, even under the identical topic. If it is boring, I regret.

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#60 Added by Feylin 1 decade ago [en] 

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What i guess is that you understand "comment" as "answering to the thread", this is not the same, at least in my mind.
I didn't think about Arfur's post only, but all the forum chat that followed beginning with it, and commenting the quote from the text. Thus excluding last posts from Salazar and Daomei, and excluding Ridditch's post as well.
[edited correction : Salazar and Daomei last post are discussing the same quote as well, and find no mercy in my eyes]
Chronicle - Xyphacanthus : The Sword of the Botanist
[...]
Sian Tao, Dynastic Physician of the Theocracy of the Witherings. "The Ruin of our Mother Atys." Between 2565 and 2610.

The title indicates it is a chronicle. The referrence indicates a long span of time for its writing. So it is more than probable that in the year 2574 that our character live in, this is not written yet, or at least not published, so nobody can quote a text that is not written and published.

Now the thing that make it absolutely clear is not available in the forum, sadly, but was written in chat InGame :
29/07/2013 00:47:24 * Tao Sian dit : [OOP: You can find the Tao Sian chronicles, writed in a lot of cycles, on your forum.. in a few minutes]

With original bad english language (we excuse you, french animator^^), let me correct like this : [OOC: you can find the Tao Sian chronicles, written a lot of cycles later, on your forum ....]

I take back the paranoid adjective for myself though. But who is not a little bit :p

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