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#31 Added by Nuno 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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Auriga (atys)

Only that this bug is known by GMs / Devs doesn`t make it a secret Ryzom feature, what kind of ridiculous argumentation is that.
The server bypasses the values that are shown as maximum in the client, this actually is a bug, was a bug and will always be a bug, no matter if it`s known or how you want to call it. ... get serious

The devs coded it on purpose, AFAIK. Yes, there's a bug, It's in the client that doesn't show the correct values while doing PvP.

There are many other cases where the correct values don't show up in the client, some that i consider more important than the jewel resists. But YMMV, ofc.

Regarding your (only?) argument that my argument is ridiculous, i find it ridiculous :-D

Have fun,
Nuno

#32 Added by Auriga 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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Sounds like you`re obviously using this bug on puprose and you seem to enjoy it, because it gives you an advantage over those who don`t know about it.

This is simply not fair towards players who don`t know about this bug and who dont use it because of that.

You can be considered as a "happy buguser" who doesn`t want to give up on his exploited achievement.

However i do think the normal resistances do work pretty well, even without exceeding the given values. I do have a normal set of jewels for pvp and i think they are more than enough. I have also seen those over resistance jewels in action and my opinion is that this bug makes it pointless to use magic against a target with such high resistances.

And yes, im not the only one who thinks like that.

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#33 Added by Nuno 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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Auriga (atys)

Sounds like you`re obviously using this bug on puprose and you seem to enjoy it, because it gives you an advantage over those who don`t know about it.

This is simply not fair towards players who don`t know about this bug and who dont use it because of that.

You can be considered as a "happy buguser" who doesn`t want to give up on his exploited achievement.

However i do think the normal resistances do work pretty well, even without exceeding the given values. I do have a normal set of jewels for pvp and i think they are more than enough. I have also seen those over resistance jewels in action and my opinion is that this bug makes it pointless to use magic against a target with such high resistances.

And yes, im not the only one who thinks like that.

You continue with the name calling... I find it ridiculous, again :-D

(And now, to give you a taste of your own name calling) You didn't even read my post: i said i'm fine with a change of game mechanics. Does this make your whole post a troll? Well... YES!

You also chose to ignore a) that this is a bug in the client and b) that magic would overpower all skills in PvP, unbalancing the game IMHO.

Have fun!!
Nuno

#34 Added by Xatokar 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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I believe that the 2004 PvP patch attempted to provide as much balance as they could to PvP when they introduced it. Most Ryzom Patch Notes are brief descriptions of the changes, it is up to the players to discover and usually make the best use of the changes.

Considering the fact that a player may have weapon enchants on their weapon far greater than their own magic skill would allow, the increase in magic resistance in PvP areas is necessary for balance.

This feature also can be used with focus jewels to give foragers in the Lands of Umbra a little bit of added resistance to distant magic attacks.

#35 Added by Daomei 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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Nuno, one can defend that bug as a feature, but those who know the code know as well that a) it was not introduced intentionally to provide balance, but is a side effect from insufficient coding, and b) that it could be fixed.

I further on cannot buy the argument that this exploit is necessary or even helpful for balance. On contrary, it favors those guilds and alliances who collect most of the boss nails, spines etc. in question. Once more, PvP is getting more hierarchical, disadvantaging newcomers, and thus less interesting.

In case of the "horror scenario" that "packs of mages" could do what launchers do nowadays, this only would change tactics, probably allowing for more interesting and dynamic PvP, e.g. with dagger virtuosos incapacitating those pack by interruption and stun. Btw. such ele groups were still a perfect target for launchers.

Ok, not my business, just for the record.

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#36 Added by Virg 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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I have owned both sets of jewels- one set of resistance jewels and one pretending the cap was there. I wore one set whilst a friend wore the other and we had a lot of fights. If this "bug" was "fixed" then mages would be completely overpowering and tanks would be non existent.

To say this bug favors guilds who collect decent mats is just silly. Of course whoever can make decent recipes and collect the mats to make these well constructed recipes are going to have better gear. To kill the 210 and 260 mobs for a decent excel set takes 2 masters or even a master and a f2p (heck I have even solo hunted most of them).

I personally believe the values shown on the resistance should be fixed not the cap shown.

Oh and auriga it is possible to kill the people with resistance jewels using magic- its just a matter of thinking about it a little bit and forming tatics to win.

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#37 Added by Nuno 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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^^ what Virg said, and:

Daomei (atys)

Nuno, one can defend that bug as a feature

You can also say: that feature as a bug :-)

, but those who know the code know as well that a) it was not introduced intentionally to provide balance, but is a side effect from insufficient coding, and b) that it could be fixed.

AFAIK this "feature" is in ryzom for a very long time. At least 4 years, probably more.

Also, AFAIK someone contributed code that was meant to limit all the resists to 275. This code was NOT accepted. This tells me that the GMs/DEVs don't want the limit.

I further on cannot buy the argument that this exploit is necessary or even helpful for balance. On contrary, it favors those guilds and alliances who collect most of the boss nails, spines etc. in question. Once more, PvP is getting more hierarchical, disadvantaging newcomers, and thus less interesting.

Some players spend a LOT of time collecting good mats. It's not just for the fun of waiting 6h for the seeds to pop or run 40km scouting for bosses... :-D It's to craft the best possible gear.

I know it's not what you mean, but taken to the extreme, it looks like you want all gear to have the same stats.
Ofc the guys that search for tyrakoo get the uber HA, the ones waiting for the zun get the 97% amps. The same way, the ones searching for the jewel mats get the +8 jewels.

In case of the "horror scenario" that "packs of mages" could do what launchers do nowadays, this only would change tactics, probably allowing for more interesting and dynamic PvP, e.g. with dagger virtuosos incapacitating those pack by interruption and stun. Btw. such ele groups were still a perfect target for launchers.

Ok, not my business, just for the record.

The dagger virtuosos would be dead in 3 seconds... It would be harder to kill a gubani than a tank with boosted gear. IMHO that's why, after all these years, there's still no cap on resists.

(It was reported to me that a little before the wipe -- some call it the merge... -- the resist cap was introduced. At the time i was annoyed enough with the wipe news that i didn't even tested it. But i tested the resists after i started playing regularly again and there was no cap. So if the original report was true, it was reverted.)

Btw, i still don't understand why i'm beeing quoted. I was the one saying i wouldn't mind a change in game mechanics, as long as it's the same for everyone. That said, i also understand completely why there's no cap.

I think this topic needs clarification by the GMs/DEVs. If they do answer they'll answer in about 2 weeks, so sit back and relax :-)

Have fun,
Nuno

#38 Added by Virg 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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Not only would the dagger virtuoso be dead in 30seconds the launcher would be dead in 10seconds ^^

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#39 Added by Yorran 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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Q - Is it a bug????

A - YES!!!!

Q - Is this a problem in OP war???

A - NOOOO!!!!

Q - Why????

A - Because we can use the spell which has no resistance and 70% protection. Each hit will dropp 900 hp. You don´t need to nuke 10 times and get 8 resistances.....you can nuke 10 times and hit 9K, or better you can use affliction ( same region with 70% protection ) and hit 100%. Simple like that .

Q - Do you have this jewels???

A - No !!! I have a better one.

Q - Is it hard to craft this jewel set???

A - NOOO, is very easy and cheap to craft this set. You don´t need a large or full of masters guild to get one.

Q - and the other one.....272 resistance and 41% protections ??

A - This one is very hard..you need "1 billion boss materials", a large guild, a lof of masters and campers to get all mats. ahh and you need different jewels for different regions to keep the balance.

Thanks mom.

#40 Added by Virg 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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I agree with everything you said yorran apart from I prefer the resistance jewels :P

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#41 Added by Yorran 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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hehehe Virg.

I LOVE the resistance jewels too...I just said I have a better one :)))

#42 Added by Tizona 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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I remember tis community as one that always looked down on exploits. I thought this was the only game in wich doing someting unfair was not just against the rules but against the morale of the community.
However now it is sad to see that people who kept axploiting a bug and who tried to keep tis a secet are trying to maintain their bugusage. it is dissapointing that you prefer having your own unfair advantage over fairness towards other players. damn bunch of bugusers...

#43 Added by Eruv 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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i'd like to weigh in here on a few things

first i'm not here to make any categorical statements or point any fingers nor patronise or make fun of anyone

here are a few fast facts, please correct me POLITELY if i am incorrect, as i might be.

1) the game states that the cap on resistance is 275 31% elemental 50% affliction
this is for a 250 level master but in reality it is level+25 max and level-26 minimum, against a mob of whatever level you are at

so in my example i am level 222, my max is 222+25 and my min is 222-26 i can stil get 31% max elemental resist against a level 222 mob, presumably more against a lower mob and less against a higher mob.

anyway,

this is definite, that the display is incorrect and imo dishonest
it is also definite that this bug/feature/issue has been around for a long time

it is not exactly easy to say if it is intentional or not, but it does exist. now, since it has not been fixed and no csr / programmer etc has outright stated if it is a feature (cotd)

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#44 Added by Eruv 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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there are a few possibilities :

1) it was not originally intended and is unknown to the devs (no way, i say)
2) it was not originally intended and is known to the devs but
a) they are leaving it as a feature
b) it will eventually be fixed

3) it WAS intended and is basically a secret to be discovered, set this way by the devs

i think i go with 2a because it has been a long standing issue.
i would like to say 3 is okay but! if 3 is the reality, it does pose some problems

not everyone knows, even if it has been around 4 year, not everyone will find it, and it will be an unfair DISadvantage to the ones who do not know (therefore, tell everyone to make it fair)

the magical set is not hard to make, i have hunted most of the mobs entirely on my own (sap crystals, easy enough) i mean for the easier set not the really cool boss loot ones :) i can also dig sups entirely on my own and i can get invited to bosses if i really really want the boss loot but i think the exe set is "better" because it's easy

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#45 Added by Eruv 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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final thoughts: i want to retract my previous statement that this renders magic useless. in light of recent replies i would say more realistically, it nerfs magic to a degree but perhaps, PERHAPS this nerf is a good thing as , perhaps, it would be too much of an advantage to mages if not

i cannot say for sure, i am not a dev, i do not know if it is a feature or a bug, i call it an issue. i lean more toward unfair feature as a title for it because, it's been around and by now it is a feature for the ones who like it, and a bug for the ones who don't

i say if it exists, use it. don't be the ones who get killed faster because you dont want to use it. if it is removed later then fine. if not ,still fine. educate your friends and leave your enemies in the dark if you wish =)

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