IDEAS FOR RYZOM

Well, that would take the fun out of anything. 20 mins checking screenshots, and making sure the people that just entered the arena can't be in 20m range of the others before beeing checked? Yeah, right :-) I'm also pretty sure a dedicated homin would be able to cheat anyway :D

And ofc, there're the guys who just want to ruin it for everybody. After 20 mins checking screenshots, the last one isn't "clean", and that damn player ran to the group of screened players... Well... we'll restart again, no harm done.

:D

In terms of being reliant on your gear- that is not what I meant. Having the right gear and the ability to know when to use it has a big impact in PvP (eg. changing to dodge weapons when your opponent gets out an axe) Or for example making balanced dodge and parry armor to suit your needs.

All I am after is the implementation of proper PvP rewards. In my opinion it is one of the hardest things to comprehend and be good at in this game. I would just like a little self sufiency to it.

My proposal was intended to answer the i-want-pvp-fun-right-now problem. Everybody there would be wearing the equivalent of the best-of-the-best. And i think that would not upset anyone, pvp adept or not.

Regarding the rewards, i have no ideas, sorry.

Have fun,
Nuno

im in a bit of ahurry so cant read all the recent posts yet but!

there IS an EASY way to verify if someone has no equipment

simply trade them 300 bulk of items, if they accept and it works, they are totally naked

problem solved. i like this i will definitely be up for some rigged gear sparring

if this was already said, oops :D will read later

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also to prevent someone from easily cheating, change the color or style of the available gear every day/match every few hours etc so you can def. see if someone put on their own stuff, sure sometimes can get by that but really if you are THAT determined to cheat...you probably suck at fighting anyway and will still get beat down :)

300 bulk, i like that... considering every non-marauder needs a packer on site :P

no, seriously... using no or bad equipment pushes ryzom pvp from somewhat balanced to totally unbalanced. just try it, use a few weapons, magic... you'll see.

Casy -- I would be interested in your reasoning on how having "standard (or no) equipment" makes PvP "unbalanced." It would seem to me that it would in fact emphasize real talent in PvP actions vs. simply equipping superior arms, armor and jewels.

Is PvP skill based or equipment based?

Talent, skills, armor, jewels and weapons all work together in a (more or less) balanced matter.

Anyway i wonder why you are so much interested in PvP. If you want to learn more about it i suggest asking someone from your faction to introduce you to it and explain it to you.

I am interested because I am trying to understand the fascination of it. I don't have a faction, or a civilization. I am a confirmed neutral bucking for Ranger status.

My observation on OP battles (group PvP) is that they are largely determined by relative numbers of players on the sides and by certain high-powered in-game equipment. The possibility of introduction of still more high-powered equipment worries me on that count.

I don't PvP at all in game. I don't find it interesting or rewarding. I've looked at all the stanzas and have figured some theoretical ways that they could be used to player advantage in a PvP situation. I probably have missed some, but I have no incentive or desire to learn further.

I do engage in RL consensual full contact PvP (medieval style), and in that, once safety concerns have been met, equipment plays very little role and actual skill is paramount both in single combat and in mass engagements. It seems to me from the stanzas available that something like that should be possible in game, but that is apparently not what is being talked about.

Casy I do not believe I said no or bad equipment, surely it does not all have to be 100% precraft to suit your extravagant tastes ? There are many standard sets that are not too hard to create, that will do quite well. If you have another opinion I simply disagree. I can make "good" armor and weapons and jewels for use but "the best" is not necessary for balance or fun. The fact is not everyone has access to "the best" therefore standard "good" set is my idea.

If you disagree I would not mind a better idea, but I think this is an idea that will encourage many who have previously been hesitant to try, to join and see what it is like.

Oh wait maybe you misunderstood! I simply mean give someone 600 mats so that it verifies that they are not carrying anything at all.... then they can choose from standard items, i am not saying to fight naked or with 300 bulk items.... follow?

Eruv gave us the bloody solution!

Take one of the old pvp islands, which are still there, checked myself before merge.

Introduce an npc in capitals or wherever, who sells 299.99 bulk tp tickets. This will take you to such an island. On the island where you spawn you get a npc who sells gear for free, pvp points, dappers or whatever. This makes sure everyone uses the same stuff. Since tp tickets take bulk, you will not be able to escape with this gear either, without going and getting another 299.99 bulk tp ticket back to mainland!

If I recall there are 5 different islands, so could make one for each grade of gear, for example fine generic gear on one, choice on next etc. That or make it so that the q on the gear will vary. This way you'll limit the levels who will play there, and lvl 50's will get proper pvp as well (as long as no master comes along and nukes without amps, but that would be rude).

This will allow pvpers to pvp without crafting. Not sure how to bring up a meaningful reward from it though, apart from the occasional awesomesauce gear that you can put on npcs. You would probably have to put a stable there, or maybe apartments, so that you won't have to rebuy the awesome gear every time you go to the pvp zones. Not sure if you could add a possibility to have a second apt for homins, since it can't be access to your regular apt, for obvious reasons. I can imagine people could stand to sacrifice a packerslot, but I don't see anyone sacrificing the storage of an apt for pvp. Some storage will be needed on the islands though. Preferably one that only can be accessed on an individual island, so you can create different level or grade-zones.

Gas out.

PvP comes in different forms on this game. OP battles are one form- one I don't really see as pure PvP as it is tainted by politics, numbers etc. There are many 2v2 fights all the way up to 8v8 which take place a fair bit. It is made sure the numbers are even so the outcome of the fight depends entirely on how you fight and react to your opponents.

Having different gear adds another element to this fight. I have nearly 2 full bars of melee stanzas just for pvp. I have designed my weapons to use for different affects. I don't want to be given gear to PvP in- I want to work for it and killing marauders seems a decent way to do so. (From a RP aspect why shouldn't I get rewards from kami/civilisations for killing marauders?)

The PvP point system is in place! Why not use it properly? A PvP island sounds good (it is a really decent idea) but we have a whole world to PvP in- and the tagged system enables this. The devs are already fixing so many things- I don't understand why solutions that require so much effort are necessary when it could be as simple as adding new armour for sale for PvP points. No new armour designs are needed- the NPC armour would work just fine.

I agree with Virg, Drezar and Kigan (on french board). Some variety in rewards will be fine and easy to implement.

Your idea might be fun too, but it opens up another, completely different game. You will need to grind skills up and make tactics for fluffy pvp only and different skills and tactics for real pvp. Of course such a minigame inside ryzom isn't bad. But i doubt it's worth the effort when you look at all those unfixed bugs and unfinished features.

I was attacking the idea of no equipment and very bad equipment mentioned. Just because of what i said above. No need to insult me on that (and it might not have the desired effect to force me to answer directly and elaborately). Actually i'm not using any equipment that is not easy to get at the moment - if you know how to make receipes :-)

Please open up a new topic for every idea if you do not want to blur the original idea.

lol real pvp :) i give up

casy:
i want to make it clear i was only suggesting possible ideas in the mean time , while we wait on these "new" things there ARE things we can do as a community to encourage more pvp. if you want to call it real or not is up to you

the post is about pvp things... i dont feel that i veered off topic that much,
i added two ideas, 1) pvp only armor and 2) arena
in idea 2) i mentioned trading 300 bulk to verify someone is naked, i did not imply that we would be fighting with no or bad gear- i meant no offense, but i do apologize for my assumption, that was out of line

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and virg i happen to disagree with gasket on this one. something so extravagant as pvp islands with all those new rules is just too much work i was proposing the arena idea because it is something we can get started on immediately without any help from the devs. why they implement things or not, what they are busy with, what they will add first... all of that is up to them and we have to respect that they are also busy.

i just wanted to take a stand on something we could DO instead of ask for and talk about and wait on.

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i am not saying i dont agree with virg / drez etc i DO want the system already in place to "work " (be enhanced) i noted that yes some things are "missing" and unfinished , great i want them too to be fixed. i am not trying to say to anyone, lets ignore the other aspect. im not saying you should want someone to give you standard equipment for this "minigame pvp" but it IS a valid option, in the mean time and it really could encourage more players to try joining "real pvp"

thank you all for reading i will not be replying here any longer

shame, I did enjoy reading the information exchange (on whatever level) as this is what drives the idea thought process on.
I think the whole ideas are worthwhile, but just need fine tuning.
Maybe you ought to open a new topic to discuss pro/cons

heheh well try what i refer to as real pvp and you'll see the difference :) Shame your leaving I like hearing people's thoughts on the idea of new pvp items.