IDEAS FOR RYZOM

Yes I consider dante and pei easy enough now- but I loved them to death when i first started doing them and still enjoy them currently.

To get a full set of the kami/kara/maru armor would require 150k PvP points. If you were to get max points per kill (which hardly ever happens) this means killing 469 people for a full set of armor which I actually believe is a bit too much.

So in short I dont think this introduction of more PvP rewards will affect crafting. Hope I answered your question?

EDIT 1: In terms of a time scale of acquiring points- A friend of mine who has been PvPing since the new year only has around 30k PvP points.

And it seems to be steadily avoided to comment on the possibility of arranged PvP fights, of PvP point grind.

Ok, the argument is not that they are too hard. Pei-Ruz is clearly harder than Dante yet spawning more often. Anyway both have spawn limits, and the point of that obviously is not to flood the planet with armours far above that what may be crafted.

As to doing 469 pvp kills: I did thousands, probably far above ten thousand of Najab, Horncher, Cuttler, Jugula, and Kincher kills (247-255 lvls) for my ridiculous four masters in magic and melee. And it seems to be steadily avoided to comment on the possibility of arranged PvP fights, of PvP point grind. So far there was no point to do so, as long as no PvP merchant did exist. If it were possible to get a full set of overboosted armor by it, it would take some 10-20hrs to do the 500 kills for.

Getting the mats for a "normal" parry 2 optimal heavy armor takes weeks of boss hunting and sup digging, even longer for a white one.

Then, any crafter given that item and having learnt the plan could craft faction armour. This would give factions stuff for identification and would not break the crafting system.

The issue is OP wars will always be affected by politics. The only way to keep something from being affected by politics/faction etc and make it purely PvP is through the use of PvP points. No one can trade them, they don't sit there and accumulate you items like outposts do- you have to go out and actively earn them and keep fighting.

PvP points are in place, nothing needs to replace them. They just need decent rewards as they are currently pretty useless.

Daomei (atys)

You can get a full set of pei ruz in a day...

This has the opportunity to flood the market with armors far above what may be crafted but it hasn't.

Killing najabs is easy. Killing other PvP players isn't so easy. As casy has pointed out the "grind" you are referring to is illegal and I should expect your armor would be stripped off you- great way to waste 20hours.

Daomei (atys)

Getting the mats for a "normal" parry 2 optimal heavy armor takes weeks of boss hunting and sup digging, even longer for a white one.

Ask yourself how long it would take to kill469 maruders? Bear in mind you may gank one but more spawn in- which means you need a team also. Then you and your team have to be effective in your tatics enough to kill them in the first place. This isn't 469 mobs which just keel over a die after a few nukes.

Daomei (atys)

Then, any crafter given that item and having learnt the plan could craft faction armour. This would give factions stuff for identification and would not break the crafting system.

Once again reverting back to crafters. If you are so keen on every single item coming from crafters let PvPers loot the people they killed- that will increase the demand for crafted items once all our bags are nicely stocked up with your items. (As if that would happen- but that is the only other alternative to a bit of independence- what would you rather have?)

Virg (atys)

You can get a full set of pei ruz in a day...

Not true. You may get one full set (if the parts do fit) in a workday's time with a team of 9, with luck maybe even bit more. That is 1/9th of a full set or so.

Virg (atys)

This has the opportunity to flood the market with armors far above what may be crafted but it hasn't.

I tend to doubt. A successful Pei-Ruz run requires high levels in 2h melee, ele and heal, the adequate weapons and actions, and a good portion of luck as any more serious lag, be it by server, network, or client, any freeze or crash at team members, will easily cause a wipe without having made a mistake. And to mistakes Pei is unforgiving. That may be the reason that the market has indeed not been flooded by Pei armor. Were that the case, the mission might be changed or restricted.

I am curious whether you (or Casy) can tell me where I may read that rule.
But I fail to see that players cannot agree about PvP fights with roughly evened out chances, with series of fights lasting no longer than a couple of minutes.

As written above I tend to doubt. Clearly a player is at least sometimes more dangerous than a mob because he is more creative and versatile than an AI.

With all due respect, you know that this is rubbish. Ryzom is no PvP with loot game, most Ryzom players would not tolerate it.

[.. Pei armor ..]Disagree all you want but I have got a set in 1 day.

Daomei (atys)

.. I fail to see that players cannot agree about PvP fights with roughly evened out chances, with series of fights lasting no longer than a couple of minutes.

If people are competitively PvPing there is no issue with it. If taking turns to kill each other isn't illegal then quite simply it should and if these ideas come to light it will be.

Daomei (atys)

As written above I tend to doubt. Clearly a player is at least sometimes more dangerous than a mob because he is more creative and versatile than an AI.

Somtimes? I can tell you every tactic to kill every single mob quite easily with a team of masters.

Well for this [ .. quote from Bittty..] to be true PvPers should get gear from killing others- would you rather have it in the form of PvP point rewards or for looting? Of course everyone would choose PvP rewards unless anyone else has other ideas.

yet the constant call for more reward