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Thank you, Rikutatis, your view of things on Arispotle is very enlightening. Others have hinted at the same problems. And also we "Leanoner" have experienced similar occurences happening on our server as well.

As for Psykro's story I do not really understand: was this player of a Kami-disciple from former Aniro, Arispotle or Leanon? Well, it is true that we did not have many players on Leanon right before the server-merge who would not resurrect someone just because of factions. On the other hand I have sometimes also experienced players from Aniro who did not mind faction nor race :)

As we are discussing the topic "IC-OOC-mixing" and directed at Icus again who has started this thread:

Since the server-merge I have more than once experienced that some players can not easily cope with the fact that other players had (and still have) different roleplay-speaking-customs, and that some players do not really want to take into consideration that events developed differently on the former three servers/shards.

Yes, some consider "extremist"-talk as irritating and will avoid extremistic homins. Even if they are from the same race and faction. But please understand that this is completey logical in roleplay seen from the viewpoint of these characters and their players.

Is it really so strange not wanting to spend time with or even confront irritating people, but to rather chose to avoid them - so not having to experiencing fruitless conflicts these irritating ones might start - or even getting pulled into their problems and having to fight? It can seem very unlogical to shower each other with insults and afterwards just part ways or even fight alongside as if nothing has ever happened. Especially when considering the personal storylines and IC-ingame-experiences of most characters...

I understand that extremists-players want to be accepted by other players. But they themselves will also have to accept the logical IC-reactions of the characters of those players in roleplaying.

If the extremist's characters feel outcast because too many other characters avoid or criizise them, then they might have to learn from that and change their attitude a little so they will seem more "acceptable". If characters rather chose to push away too many other characters they might find themselves being ignored as this is still one of the possible logical results of how characters can react towards them.

As players you can still be well liked OOC by the other players of these characters though :)

On another note, all of us have been told (as players) by our Event-Team:
We on Leanon were also told during an ingame-talk with our Event-Team by Limai (translated):You, Icus, might remember, that your character explained at the Assembly in Pyr IC that the Matis had started a war and that an outpost in the Witherings had been held by the Circles of the Zorai government. You explained via an OOC-comment that the war between the Empire of the Fyros and the Kingdom of the Matis has happened on Arispotle and Aniro. So you as a player might have thought "2 outnumber 1, so Leanoners should accept this". But this is not thought-out well enough!

All kinds of things happened before the war-event that roleplayers could bring forth as IC-arguments to underline different IC-opinions and defend their Nations - IF they even knew about those details that had happend. Which we do not. It might as well be possible that on Arispotle the Empire started the war, who knows? I do not know anything; so I cannot discuss those things IC at all. And so players from Leanon do feel like being outcast of roleplay when such a war is discussed that has never happened on Leanon...

I thought it was not really fair OOC to impose your own (Aniro-)"truth" on everyone present while knowing (or because of knowing?) that our characters would not be able to oppose this "truth" because we as players do not have the insider-knowledge about Aniro-events to be able to talk about this topic. So much for the problems with distinguishing IC from OOC...

P.S.: I just found Icus' own note again:

Only one thing, i think it will be good not to make any generality about the behavior of people in function of their server's origin. After, well.. we are in a game. I see some people saying : yeah, be friend, share all !

Well, so i will be curious to see what u will think if in your favorite sport the players do the same thing. Oh, i have marked one touchdown, at your turn my adversary ;)

In all this thing, you forget one thing very important in a game : challenging !

Roleplay is not a bubble disconnected from the gameplay.

I have broken my will to stop to write on this kind of polemic. It's not interesting, especially when we write in another tongue than our native one. And more the debate will last, more some sad things will be written.

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Hey, Luth, you should consider Ultimate Frisbee as a sport. Teams battle each other competitively in championship games for 90 minutes and then party together ;-) And there is not even a referee.
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In principle you are right but as each of us does not really know players from other older servers well but can say more about their own "old community", it's still unavoidable... We should refrain from negatively judging players from other old servers and not generalize though. Yes, that would be great :)As I have been playing pen & paper - roleplaying-games for many years I have come to cherish roleplaying and favour it more than any other kind of games because I know it as the most shining example of teamplay versus the "master/system".

Nearly all of the challenge in RPGs will be provided from the system/master and the players will be encouraged to work together to solve the problems and master the challenges as a team. You do not have to play against one another in roleplaying games, neither offline nor online. PvP is often purely optional, but teamplay is practically always the key point of every Multiplayer-RPGs.Not everybody thinks about roleplay your way. Some or maybe even many players (depending on game and community) indeed do want to separate roleplaying from gameplay and it's "mechanics".
It's only you who views this conversation as "polemic" and "not intersting" which is a rather depreciatory comment about opinions and experiences other players are talking about in this thread.

Yes, SUCH statements really might lead to "sad things" being written in reply.

Daear Zhoi, if you read me well, you would understand that i say it's not interesting to participate at one debate which is the place to make attacks or to take moral attitude, that which seems to become the subject with some posts like these of Stitch. The debate is interesting in all what it reveals of the different ways of communities and i learn a lot but i refuse to write too much for two reasons : first, i don't master perfectly english and second more a debate lasts on a forum more the personal attacks are flowering. DOn't haste to judge me but read well what i wrote. That's the reason why i consider that writing in an ooc post in ryzom is an error for me. And in answering you, i know i do an error because i haven't your talent with the words.

After, i say only one thing : play together, i feel it will be fantastic to play with all of you ! Be sure that the Tryker named Luth will be a ferocious enemy of the Zorai and a proud defender of the tryker democracy ;)

After, all of this is vain because it's only a game and not real life ! Enjoy the fun of the game and don't provoke an headache in thinking too much about how the other think behind their screens.

Thank you for explaining, Luth. I am sorry that I misunderstood your words (even so reading them "well" does not help at all since they do not show what exactly they are referring to)! Well, in pretty much every forum you will stumble across forum-posts that do nothing else than explain why the current topic in general is "uninteresting" or even "unnecessary". I seem a bit too used to reading posts like that so I am sincerely sorry to have jumped to conclusions.

If it's about personal attacks I am absolutely with you. :)

Ahaha, you're not the only one fighting with the English language. I have only been learning it in school and by reading forums, so you can see how often I have to correct my postings - and when re-reading them I will still always find more errors :D So please don't worry, I and many other players here won't critizise you for making the same mistakes we make ;)

Weirdly enough I tend to get more tolerant the longer OOC-forum-conversation lasts, because while getting to know people better I can relate to them more and more, find correlations - and that makes it easier to just overlook differences and enables me to see their phrasing in a more positive light.

Yes, all in all I still think it's great that we have a much larger RP-community now, even if we will have to get used to other people's playing-styles a bit. As I have mentioned there are so many RP-playing-styles... a dime a dozen (or like we say in German: "like grains of sand alongside the ocean") :) It's not really hard to muster up the tolerance.

I might not like things like thought-emotes or homins telling my character about "facts" that she did not experience, but I can cope with it. I might mention that though and ask to please try not to do things like that too often as I and others cannot help but having troubles with replying to them properly ;)

Please don't worry, I won't hold it against you if your characters is an enemy of the Zorai, and when I heard about Luth's fiery sermons about the current Tryker government I totally liked that as a player :) Haha, I still will keep on being interested in humans and characters and their thinking, sorry for that :D

As for Zhoi; she has tried to make her government officially apologize to the Trykers for letting them die in front of the Great Wall long ago :D Believe it or not. Well, most of the other Zorai at that time were against this...

On Leanon some of the male Trykers were in high demand by the Ladies (in roleplay), you know? ;) Dachsli (Dac'ho Sil) has been "Mr. Atys" - even with a noticable belly and some rather disgusting favourite eating-habits of his - and he also had numerous illegal children. It was even rumored that he had an affair with the female governor as well.

And there was an annual calender of Chanchey Breggan in swimming trunks... and so on :) Others preferred male Zorais like Kia Bo-Boo the healer of Zora (and his weird habit of wearing only underwear and sometimes boots) though :D

By some Gents as well. ;)

Don't forget the (unfortunately unfinished) Argo Navis Pin Up Calendar started by Sak ... I think we sadly only got four motives, three Matis and one Fyra, but still ...

I was at Void watching the stars flow. I wondered about what is in the far distance.  But my mind has been disturbed but other things. 

 

That was the last Akenak Assembly. 

 

When I was there, I could feel Icus words cutting the air.  Some people were hurt by them. Me as well. 

But know, I understand that behavior in different way, and I think Icus is a great person, and I don´t have to feel my self hurt for nothing.

I was nervous and make some mistakes. Of course, Icus was trying to manage the meeting as best as possible. 

 

First time I thought: "WTF? Why I have to be quiet? I am a person like him…."

 

I was wrong. I start to play my RP a few weeks before the meeting, and don´t take into account all the Akenak Meeting procedures. And in addition, I was thinking bout Icus not as a Fyros Patriot but a Human Being.

 

But he's not (I´m talking about him in Atys) He is a Fyros Patriot like me, and Akenos, in a higher rank. 

 

So when he insult (or not, I don´t care), hurt or whatever he done, he is playing his RP. So, he insults the Matis? Yes. and what happens? I, Daughter of the Desert, hate Matis too. I will go to the Forest and burn all that trees and make a new Desert

BUT

 I think that, even with a Matis (Or Karavan as well), we can speak and make diplomatic talking. We all are People of Atys, and sometimes we must put up our differences and talk. 

 

Icus don´t think my way. I don´t agree with his way of act in some points, but what? He is a Fyros and it has grown at Desert,  learning the same Atys History  we do. And he have understood in one way and plays in the way he believe in. And I do the same my self.

 

I have to be angry with him for that?. NO. Even if he thinks different, I can learn from him (same  way that he can also do it from my or other one); and grow up my self to a inner understanding of Atys and my self. 

 

CONFRONTATION BRINGS CHANGE

 

We are at Planet Atys, NOT at Planet Earth. 

 

To close, I want to add something:

 

I think those that don´t play RP must respect RP players, and vice versa.

 

Thanks for your time Homins, whatever your Nation is.

 

 

 

 

You gave us quite a run for our money on Wednesday for someone who thinks he's got a limited talent for words. ;)