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buy bulk upgrades for apartment (with dappers, not real money)
yes 87 (14)
79.1%
no 18 (2)
16.4%
Other 5
4.5%
Abstain 9
Poll is closed
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#77 Added by Bitttymacod 1 decade ago [en] 

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Talkirc (atys)
which is likewise something that wasn't given up on....

But it wasn't spammed either.
bittty, i really must laugh at the whole "game balance" excuse, how in the blue blazes will giving more storage unbalance the game?? i guess me having 100 alt f2p accounts for storage of this or that would be better on the server? 100's of extra databases to waste space.... i'll not bother, but if your not in favor, or a dev, why are you still knocking this idea, are you afraid that we might get it? why more often then not are you negative about ideas that are optional content and could in no way harm everyday gameplay of anyone?
what do you know that we don't, other then what we really want doesn't matter and we're paying just to be ignored for years... yet another reason the population of the game is going down, because we're always given the shaft, and if that's not enough, then here you are knocking those of us that keep trying to ask for things.

Well, I know that I am now, after two years, getting a few bits of OP mats. I suspect if GH's had tons more storage, I wouldn't.

The point of limited GH/apt storage is to encourage people to *think* about what they really need to keep. At some point the alt storage becomes more trouble than it's worth and so good (but not mission-critical to the guild in question) mats come onto the market, either for sale or for trade. If I were a dev (and I am not), I would regard this as a *good* thing, but I wouldn't go about advertising the fact either, if only because of the tendency of players everywhere to work to the frustration of the plans of devs.

So, from my selfish point of view I am in favor of my getting good stuff. In terms of other players who are not part of powerful guilds getting good stuff, I'm in favor of that also. I fight with the question of allocation of good stuff to GH storage or not all the time as an HO of Phaedrea's Tears. I'd love to have just a little extra storage. However, it is good for me to have to make choices as well.

The dev / event / support teams (to judge by some other posts) are even fewer than I thought. If one has to communicate in 3 > 5 languages and make it come out the same in all of them in terms of "official pronouncements", it's going to take a long time to generate those pronouncements and they are going to be relatively few and far between.

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#78 Added by Talkirc 1 decade ago [en] 

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and that's where your wrong, it was, on the forums for a bit, on IRC and CeB a large amount, by one player i know for sure: subox, i know because i supported sub's efforts to not give up, much like he supports mine to not give up.
Talkirc (atys)
i promiced to do this in the past and now here it is, links to posts related to bulk upgrade request of the past.  (really starting to feel ignored by the dev's about this much requested feature)

old forum link (player wish list)

old forum link (this one also has a poll with over 70% support of upgrades, sound familiar?)

old forum link (player speaks about buying extar apt bulk)

i could find several more on the old forums, but thought that this was a good start.  there are several on new forums, but for the last two years my two have been the active ones.  (not sure on the non-english forums, as the results were limited to english; if there are similar thread in other languages, i would love to have links posted here by anyone willing.)

it's very clear that bulk and slot's are importiant to a large number of the player base, i'm not the only one.  i'm true to my word that: I WILL NOT GIVE UP ON THIS PATH BECAUSE IT IS A VALID REQUEST!! (nay say all you want, it's clear that more of us want it then are against it, even historically proven with the old forum's poll)

ya know, this shouldn't be that hard to do, based on some reliable sources i've spoken with, it's not something that would take much work or effort to really offer us.  (when i have 1m bulk and 50k slot's in my apt i'll shut up about this, till then, the talk will not give up.)

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#79 Added by Bitttymacod 1 decade ago [en] 

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To continue my thoughts. I often, I guess, sound "negative" on suggestions because I don't see them as being either 1) important or 2) well thought out or 3) both. I'd like to see the various teams working more on new events and development of the world than on more storage.

Look at what we have gotten recently. Fires are coming, we are told. We have the Pathfinder missions that have given high fame neutrals four extra ways to get to the surface high level areas. Those are supposed to be part of the Ranger training, but they aren't being restricted except by Fame. Recently the Mara got their cosmetologists and at least theoretical guards. A white kitin was captured (with the aid of the Event Team) and a mission set up to feed it. So, the teams *are* working, they just aren't working on the projects *you* want them to be working on, and they aren't working fast. Given the small number of people on the teams (as reported) it's a miracle *anything* gets done. Given that same small number of people, it's obvious why they don't advertise a lot of things until they are ready or almost ready; vapor ware is worse than silence.

Then we have an apparently large amount of work on the 10th Anniv. celebration and on Anlor Winn and on Yubo golf (which was a recent suggestion by Zakkk on the IRC). Clearly someone thought Yubo Golf would be a fantastically fun thing and took it as a project. Someone else thought that we should have a fancy blow-out for 10th Anniv. and Goki did a lot of work to make it happen. I'm not sure about the effort for Anlor Winn, but someone created pumpkin circles, and clearly the Event Team enjoys playing spirits.

This shows me that the team will put in work on the things *they* enjoy/think are important. Since they aren't paid, I can't fault them.

The differences in our viewpoints may simply be that I (IRL) am older than you and have worked on my share of large projects with low numbers of volunteer workers, and therefore that I am more sympathetic to the team members.

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(*) This statement is contested, but we are certainly the longest lasting.
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#80 Added by Talkirc 1 decade ago [en] 

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sorry didn't realize you were mid thought, i forget that in-game forum posts are limited in size (why i always use browser). i guess the one thing i want to portray is that i'm not trying to force them to do it right now, but i'm also unwilling to let it rest so it can be forgotten or overlooked, i'm sorry that your just now getting OP mat's, but believe me it's not because guilds are out of space to store them. it's because some guilds are finally getting to see that the older ways of not sharing are not as effective (imho). to be honest i'd like to see merchants that sell ALL mat's and the more "special" the mat, the higher the cost, but there's nay-sayers on that idea too saying it would make OP's worthless (i feel it would turn them into a more pvp related item then, and less about the mat's, but mat's would still be a perk to owning one)

i've listed many possible paths for the upgrades, costs, and have not given up that sooner or later i will get at least something along the lines of what i'm asking for. as it stands now, i have items i want to keep just because of who made them, and what they wrote on them when they gave them to me, many of these players don't play anymore. sure i lost things at the merger that couldn't be replaced, but that happened to everyone. what's wrong with me wanting to keep things from players like tynee or firstdo, without having to give up space i can use for things that i actually will use up.

like i've said before, when i get that crazy bulk (1m) and crazy slot's (50k) i'll stop bringing this up so much (i can't abandon those that wanted it as well, unless someone else wanted to take the torch to keep light on this, but i don't see any of the above happening) i'm trying hard to be a man of my word and keep the light on this post, i'm trying to be a voice for over 70% of the players reading the forums and voting (and like RL if you don't vote, don't complain; i know you voted so your welcome to complain :)

anyway, i hope that one day we'll get this, and there will be a sharp decline in alt's being used for storage.

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#81 Added by Mjollren 1 decade ago [en] 

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Talk, you would think that after this many years that the "answer" of the dev / event / whatever team would be crystal clear: We aren't going to get it. No point in further spam .

Just one thing - if the answer is a final, unchangeable, resounding "no", make it clear by stating that. Boom, problem solved, whenever people bring up the subject you can just point them to the moment the idea was officially rejected.

Until then, part of the frustration is that there's NO feedback on ideas.

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#82 Added by Bitttymacod 1 decade ago [en] 

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Mjollren -- Absolutely agree that lack of feedback is a problem.

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#83 Added by Fyrosfreddy 1 decade ago [en] 

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I think when 50% of the posts in a thread are from a single source, it's time to accept that the idea is not exactly representing the masses.

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#84 Added by Talkirc 1 decade ago [en] 

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well the vote is what really counts FF, cause that's where it really speaks, and the fact that i post alot, means that i'm no quitter and won't just fold under because not many others have the nerve to speak up.

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#85 Added by Talkirc 10 years ago [en] 

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still large amount of desire for this as well, the poll speaks volumes about the topic.

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#86 Added by Fyrosfreddy 10 years ago [en] 

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I tend to take unique posts more seriously than a poll....not much thought needs to go into a single click.

I don't know how many peeps thot it was a good idea and then later, as i did, saw more downsides than upsides.

I watched Penn and Teller collect 100s of signatures on a petition to ban Di-Hydrogen Monoxide in beverages and other uses....

I don't know how many votes are from peeps who are still here.... I do kno the numbers aren't changing.

In a recent discussion you mentioned your large alt army .... the idea of that many alts with vastly larger storage capacity is somthing I find alarming given other current issues on the board. Strong guilds with many players with multiple alts .... sitting waiting for sups to pop while thinking of 10's of thousands of unused sups sitting bing hoarded in storage all over Atys is sumthin I think many peeps find disturbing.

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#87 Added by Binarabi 10 years ago [en] 

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I agree Freddy - at least the hoarders have to stop and transport stuff - to slow them down a little

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#88 Added by Talkirc 10 years ago [en] 

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for the horaders i agree, but my alt's are a stop gap for items and keepsakes i have, not mats (while i'm not a mat collector, i'm sure there are some out there) but i've also seen people that started on the no side come to the yes side, because as these items we want to save for purely sentimental reasons grow in number, our storage of other items we use (or collect for later use) grows smaller. (later use implies armors, jewels, weapons, picks, crafting tools, cat's saved for new f2p players, egg's, ect)

i see reasons to have more need for good valid reasons, after all merchants are a storage system of sorts, why not just allow that to be used for serious selling, and cure the storage issue with more room for stuff in apt's and gh's? (most of that stuff is for craft grinds, which is of little long term value beyond craft xp)

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#89 Added by Fyrosfreddy 10 years ago [en] 

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Well Devs took care of the "sentimental" stuff for me by wiping all such possessions with merge. My original no requirements LA set, my "haddo Jools", my 1st boosted HA set, all the event stuff, 3 sets of crafted NPC armor, 1 each of the dropped sets, 1 complete set of uber weapons crafted by Alegra. And I had all this on one account ... the alts of which didn't even have apartments. Had one alt GH which primarily stored supreme HA TIGS boost fails which when I had a full set gave away or used as a contest prize.

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#90 Added by Talkirc 10 years ago [en] 

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old forum link (player wish list)

old forum link (this one also has a poll with over 70% support of upgrades, sound familiar?)

old forum link (player speaks about buying extar apt bulk)

a similar idea is under study as pointed out by another player:
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For reference:

http://app.ryzom.com/app_forum/index.php?page=topic/view/18391/

The idea is being studied since last year, note the forum section.

there are many other points to be made, many different ideas discussed.

i have considered something simpler and fair (i think) what if an apt had the bulk of a guild hall (20k bulk) and a guild hall could have 200k bulk, surely that would cover the largest guild on the server.

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#91 Added by Talkirc 10 years ago [en] 

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73.1% of the voters agree that some upgrade in apartment bulk is desired, and the previous polls from the old forums so similar numbers.

i've learned that it would be rather hard to add the original idea of purchasable bulk upgrades, there would be too much coding involved as it's not handled by ark.

as a result of the above fact i'd like to propose that an apartment bulk be doubled from it's current amount of 2000 to 4000, while this isn't the amount i would really like to have, it would be better then nothing at all.

a similar idea is listed as "under study", that was quite some time ago, and in just a short time asking questions on IRC channels that a change from xxxx to xxxx would be fairly easy, but not a system to buy more and more as i wanted to start with.

anyway just wanted to add a few thoughts to these...

talk

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