IDEAS FOR RYZOM

the bunnies have of course made valid points but i have to side with mr. irc here because:

in order to really experiment fully with craft recipes you really do need either alts or a GH, there are 47 dig mats in the same lets say you only want to handle jewlels, thats 10 types of amber/seed and maybe i want exe and choice so thats 20 stacks of mats, ok for sake of sensibility if you want to look at precraft values (without making any items) you could get

5 each of:

each of the 10 seeds in choice and exe so thats 10 x 5 x 2 = 100 mats, thats not much, you could even collect some of the exe loot eyes/nails... ok sure. for personal experimentation no one needs a guild hall of their own but!

what if you already have some recipes and you want to help people on atys by making for them, or at least having mats on hand to give the master crafter, i have a gh of my own with about 200-300 of most of the exe dig mats in jungle (since jungle is logically easier to dig in with less aggro) this would never fit in my apartment, now i must use alts to get into the gh and trade mats to my main to give mats to freddy to craft for my friends-- ok so i bear this... but is it really the way it has to be?

do the higher ups not realise how many people have spare gh's just to hold things that ARE useful for the sake of helping others? atys has a very good, very strong close community, unlike some other MMOs that maybe have more content, more frequent updates, more income.... many stay here for community

should we have to go through this much hassle to help others? is it really for myself that i have alts and alt ghs? no not really, i can go out and dig what i want when i want and i have some levels to make what i have to for lower level players but then you factor in things like ... exe seeds are summer/winter... thats 4.5 days to wait till i can dig them if wrong season, some mats take 9 days (2 seasons) to come back on surface

you could say ok just make them choice crap -- yes we will do choice if no other .... er... choice.... but

hoarding to help is a common phenomenon, PT and bunnies probably have many who have alts and a gh of their own to hold mats to craft with, i know many individuals who do it

i do not see the harm in a moderate upgrade in space, so some people will hoard useless things that they wont ever use, let them. the rest of us want space for useful and helpful endeavors too

Eruv

I guess its a matter of perspective ... I dont have a set of exe or sup armor, I don't have a single weapon yet since Im finding I just dont need it. With amps, pick and craft tool I can go anywhere and collect any mat solo. Im finding this time around that that uber set oif armor or weapon really doesn't change my fight outcomes very often. A knowledgeable teamate overcomes the lack of uber gear.

I have never really thought of "designer" jools and never had an exe set, let alone a sup set ... never had a set w/ any mob mats. Yes that's "me" but the part I dont get is why I would I experiemnt w/ real mats ? Thats what Kipeecraft is for :)

I ran the HA mats bank on Arispotle outta my apartment .... kept enuff for two sets in there on average. It never seemed worthwhile to me to chase down exe / sup stuff till I was well over level 200 ... didnt see sense in spending more time chasing mats down than I wud wearing it.

And BTW, I cant afford a GH :) .. saving up to replace my stolen E'urokan plans :)

Just a quick re on Kipeecraft: Fyrosfreddy, some people like to come up with their own recipes, and want to find out how the game works from within the game - for the fun of it. If you do that, you do experiment with real mats..

further, ok Kipee Craft, i've been told it's not always accurate on what you'll get in the end, sure it's good to get an idea, and i do use it, but i've found that the mat's it wants me to use, and in numbers will take a master digger time to collect, and large teams to hunt the 270 bosses for the parts needed from them, they only spawn every 3 days, and what happens when you kill that boss and get none of the mats you really needed, then you have to store the other mats you did get (remember they only pop every 3 days and who know's who in your guild or friends list might need those mats you did get for their own crafting endevors, thus it would be nice to hold onto those for a few days to give to that friend that's not often on)

ok let's go at the hording angle, ok someone hordes everything they ever get, with the limit to the slots in the apt they can only have so many odd's and ends before your out of slots, with the higher bulk you could at least have decent stacks of needed mat's to craft "better" gear (sure you could make it choice, but if you can get the mats for exel or sup, why not make the better stuff, not using it is hording, but holding it till you can make a full set isn't a bad deal)

like Eruv said it's kind of a pain to log alt in and out of the other guild halls just for mat's and gear, and i think WG might like all the F2P toons made just for that, it give's them inflated numbers as to how many "people" play the game, while that's not a true number, it does something for the appearance of lot's of players playing the game, and bigger numbers makes them look better in their eyes, but the true player base know's about the alt's just as much as they do, and any new player to the game will soon learn that for every one true player there are most likely at least one not so true player run by the same person.

Also like Eruv said, i'm here for the strong community of players, we all work together to play the game, when not at a OP war or in PR digging SN's you can find me grinding with players that at other times i'm trying to kill and not get killed by. not all players in each faction/religion do that, but there are alot of us that will, we have friends, sure we'll try to kill each other at a war or sn, but when it's over we can joke and laugh about how i killed them or they killed me, and the fun that we had doing it makes the game that much stronger. (i know some of that is a little off topic, but it does go with the community angle, which could benefit more if we could store more for use in that same community. {though not likely that i'd share my uber gear with players that would then use it to kill me, but maybe that gear will help someone on my team in that setting not get killed as fast, or maybe get a kill they otherwise would not have gotten}

i know i'm always so long winded and talk alot, but hey, i've got thought's and don't mind shareing them with everyone on the big tree.

to any and everyone, have fun on the big tree, and who know's maybe we'll get lucky and get this and the guild hall bulk upgrades, even if the slots never go up, more bulk will help alot.

The reason KC was creatyed any why so many of us invested our time and effort helping arc refine and improve it is that you can spend an inordinate amount of time seeking out and finding mats that ultimately have no interest or value to you.

Sure you can search it out on your own if that's your thing .... kinda like just randomly choosing restaurants or vacations spots versus using restaurant or travel guides. Or just jumping on the road "to go somehwere" or choosing a destination and using a map. Sometimes it's fun to do that, but that doesn't in any way reduce the value of a map.

i like kipee craft, i have it, i use it, it gives me ideas, but even KC tells me i'll need this and that and x number to make this and that, what if i want to outfit say 10 toons with the same sets of HA, so what i have to dig/hunt enough for 5 craft those then do it all again, what if there's a RP deadline? (i don't do RP much) what if it's a craft mission grind, and i go to all the HA mission giving overseers and get all the ha missions at once, then go to my apt to make the armor, will my apt as is right now hold all the mats for the 15 or 20 missions that i'll get?

On Arispotle I ran a HA Mats Bank. I put all my HA mats in GH (Sup Tama, Glue, Irin, Silverweed) that I dug. As peeps collected their mats, they could put 260 mats from that list in any combination and I would make up what they were missing. At any given time, there was always 5 or 6 sets in Apt and always cupla thousand mats in GH.

I understand your examples, but how many peeps ever found themselves in a position to make 10 saets in one sitting ? I have not heard of any such game imposed deadlines. Why must you craft in apartment ? These ar all "self imposed" limits, not game limits.

I don't really use vendor storage. I keep a mektoub near a hawker in all 4 above ground regions. I dig a bag / mek full of mats, I craft off the mats and put HA on vendors.... . Rinse and repeat just one time and I got 12. Not really a problem. I know other peeps that store 10k mats on vendors, then stand at stables and craft....thats 46 sets of HA.

one thing i can say freddy, your teaching me ways to get what i want without getting what i want, and i like that, if others looking for what i want read what you and other's have told me, they'll also find the ways to get what they wanted as well, so while i keep saying things on this, and hopping to one day get it, i'm learning ways to do just what i want to do without ever getting it, so while it hopeless to want this upgrade, it's not hopeless to find ways to do just the things i want.

Yes, that's why I think you will see support from new players but the vets ill be wishy washy cuz they have figured other, many times more convenient ways, to do same thing.

..... There are more than a few ways to skin a varynx

well after we skin the cat, are we making taco's? (yummy! varnix taco's)

This, like the one for the Guild Hall is important. Sometime 4 Mektoubs and an Apt just not enough.

still would like to see this added, using the merchaint fails to fix this, u must continually re-buy everything, and it's useless for gear because you cant sell used items. also, there are players that will buy you stuff even when you ONLY wanted to store it.

i still see no reason we cant have this. i'm still waiting for one, IF there is one.

Many of the alts and guilds (and their GHs) exist solely for storage because we don't have enough space. And being in a guild with ~150 people makes it worse as we have a lot more need for space than a 20-toon guild.

Space is a *SERIOUS* issue, and the constant logging and shuffling, and creating alts just to have storage not only inconveniences the players, but probably isn't exactly kind to the servers either.

We already have ideas for pricing, and I think this is one of those things that is a high enough priority that we should build a time machine to fix it years ago. Sure, I'd like more rites and more content, but I think solving the space issue (and the resulting population boom in alts and alt guilds/GHs) should come first.

150 people.. and how many are inactive?

150!!!
Where are they all when we have kami/kara battles??