IDEAS FOR RYZOM

i promiced to do this in the past and now here it is, links to posts related to bulk upgrade request of the past. (really starting to feel ignored by the dev's about this much requested feature)

old forum link (player wish list)

old forum link (this one also has a poll with over 70% support of upgrades, sound familiar?)

old forum link (player speaks about buying extar apt bulk)

i could find several more on the old forums, but thought that this was a good start. there are several on new forums, but for the last two years my two have been the active ones. (not sure on the non-english forums, as the results were limited to english; if there are similar thread in other languages, i would love to have links posted here by anyone willing.)

it's very clear that bulk and slot's are importiant to a large number of the player base, i'm not the only one. i'm true to my word that: I WILL NOT GIVE UP ON THIS PATH BECAUSE IT IS A VALID REQUEST!! (nay say all you want, it's clear that more of us want it then are against it, even historically proven with the old forum's poll)

ya know, this shouldn't be that hard to do, based on some reliable sources i've spoken with, it's not something that would take much work or effort to really offer us. (when i have 1m bulk and 50k slot's in my apt i'll shut up about this, till then, the talk will not give up.)

If it was brought up way back then and now again we should get rrrr done

Talk, you would think that after this many years that the "answer" of the dev / event / whatever team would be crystal clear: We aren't going to get it.

well then, i can sure say that customer satisfaction really isn't that big a deal to the company. regardless i won't stop trying until the server goes down for good. i also like to look at the majority of people that think positive, and focus less on the negative minority involved (because they don't have to use it).

For reference:

http://app.ryzom.com/app_forum/index.php?page=topic/view/18391/

The idea is being studied since last year, note the forum section.

thanks MJ for the update and link to this thread, i've very happy to have an OFFICIAL answer to this topic, regardless of that it's for a German thread, it's the exact same basic idea....

which is a exact quote that says they're looking into it, so i hope to see this on the dev roadmap very soon, after all it was "looked into" over 1 year ago with no further word about it, and clearly i've not given it up even if the german players may have.

still strong support for this idea based on the poll

please vote on the poll as well, all votes count.

a similar idea is under study as pointed out by another player:

there are many other points to be made, many different ideas discussed.

i have considered something simpler and fair (i think) what if an apt had the bulk of a guild hall (20k bulk) and a guild hall could have 200k bulk, surely that would cover the largest guild on the server.

close to 80% would like to see bulk in GH's increase.

i know that it's far too complex to add an "upgrade" option ingame, but a flat change from xxxxxx to xxxxxxx isn't all that much work to do.

so why not go from 10,000 to say 50,000? one simple change no hassle with trying to encode all the ingame stuff, just a behind the scenes upgrade.

i guess we can dream and hope, but it would be very nice to not need to have each toon on an account own a gh just for storage of gear and extra stuff.

talk

I think it's ridiculous that 1 member and 300 member guilds have guild halls with same capacity. Even if it takes some coding I think the best way is to make the capacity based on amount of members. For example [members] * 100 bulk.

the problem with that is the coding (it would be a huge effort that ryzom just doesn't have the development team power to do)

next there's nothing to stop someone from making 500 accounts simply to invite each toon on each account (2500) to that guild. (we have to consider any options exploits and prevent them)

that's why i went with the flat upgrade of at least 2 times the current amount, and no more then 10 times the current amount (even i can't see how we could use that much bulk, imagine 200,000 bulk, that is 400,000 mats)

but i do like that your thinking forward about things and upset with the status quo we're stuck with at this time. after checking other mmo's in relation to this idea, almost all that offer storage have a) an unlimited system or b) a system that allows you to get more space, i'm asking for c) compromise in just a single overall increase.

but the discussion is still open and the poll speaks volumes about the fact that we're not happy with what we have and would like a little more.

talk

Talk -- the poll says nothing. It is 84 people total out of many more than that (I sincerely hope). It is self-selected, therefore having a bias towards those who read the Forums. It is in the English forum, meaning that it does not reach most of the players. It indicates that there are a number of people who want it, but it does indicate much more than that.

The question is whether it would be good for the game and worth the coding time and neither you nor I can answer that. "Other games do it" is never sufficient reason by itself.

I can think of one very good reason to continue to have this limit. It forces at least a few of the rare and valuable mats and the things created by them into the open market.

actually, i asked the dev team about how hard it would be. that is why my latest posts have been for a single change that would be server wide vs. my original desire to create a dapper sink. (the dapper sink idea would be insanely hard to do, but the single server wide change could be very quickly made, i believe the that the answer i was given said it would take no more then 20 minutes to change, and more likely as little as 5)

we can now translate the forums (and the poll didn't close until almost 6 months after that feature was added)

i have openly mentioned the post in uni at various times seeking opinions and votes. given the huge number of views of this thread people have read it at the least. the poor turn-out in votes is because many people feel there's no point because we almost never get anything we ask for or want. (ask around you'll find many that feel that way, and it's also why many don't bother to read the forums at all) the english forums don't exsist anymore so anyone can read if they want. one of the links i posted is from the GERMAN forums (and is also the post that was put "under study")

as for the "other games do it" recently there was a post made by the dev that they're working on doing things other games do because "this is 2015"

as for your "very good reason" tell me then why there are so many alt gh's held by f2p's for storage, given that fact alone your statement is reduced greatly in it's effect.

while you and I disagree on this idea, i still value your thoughts and always will, because friends can disagree and still be friends (i hope in our case at the very least)

i'd honestly be more then happy to see an OFFICIAL poll run for 90 days asking the same question. and by official i mean made by the offical staff of the game, put in the announcments (much like the PR mat's issue was shortly after merger) and see the results (because i still believe that the final result would still be 2/3's or more in favor of this)

i'm not still pushing this idea in a new way because there's no hope, it's because i've not given up on it and have been asking questions to those that have the understand and information to give answers that i can use to help promote the basic idea.

talk

Here is an idea: How about when you own an op instead of having access to your GH it actually lets you have "Additional storage space?" If an op war happens then the winning guild gets to have all the loot in it?

Personally, the reason i havent voted nor responded is because a building can only hold so much so it should be limited. I suppose you can 'Add-on' to your GH to make it bigger, but eventually it would be easy to fill that up too, hence this idea of increasing GH's is subjective. It wasn't that important to me to discuss. Otherwise, why not just increase apartments too, or mektoubs, or our bags? What would the limits be? 200,000? That is a rediculous amount and un-justifiable unless you are a multi-millionaire and have a mansion with a wharehouse out back. I know its a pain, but as Bittty said, it forces us to work the mats we have. It is a refining process. Get rid of the bad mats and save the good.

On the other hand, I am not opposed to some kind of ability to increase the storage somehow. Like I mentioned above, it doesn't make sense to be able to access your GH from an Outpost miles away! Let the Outposts be for extra storage. Or allow us to build wharehouses somewhere. That would be a nice dapper sink too. It would allow neutrals ability to buy storage without fighting too. ~Just an idea I'm throwing out there.

I will just continue to create more alts with more alt guild halls. I agree the space we have for apartments and guild halls is not enough for even a medium sized guild but I do not have a problem creating more alts and fake buildings, I can fix it mysellf and move on lol