IDEAS FOR RYZOM

simply put "[Homin]" at the other part of it so that we can make Macros for all of them with just only using one Macro

so just like this "[Muffin] Raw Material Source" instead of "Raw Material Source [Muffin]"

...and then all of that we need to do is something kind of like "/tar [Muffin]"


but I would somuch prefer it to be just like "Muffin's Supreme Zun Amber" and "Muffin's Supreme Kitten Lava" and "Muffin's Supreme Yelk Mushroom" and "Muffin's Raw Material Source" (idk why there has to be "[" and "]" in there atall)

Abstained, because while I generally are in favour for the idea, and would prefer "Irfidel's Zun Amber", I am also concerned about making botting too easy. Probably my point is moot and I should have just voted for my preference, because the real botters have other means to get where they want to.

Let me use this post to also just thank you, Muffin, for sharing all your ideas. Sometimes I disagree, sometimes I agree, often I just wonder at the creativity. But almost always I'm just happy that someone takes the time to note down some issue with the game and puts it up for discussion.

Some of these should be moved over or copied to dev.ryzom.com and their issue/bugtracking system. It's hard though to consolidate the ideas in one place, and yet get enough input and stimulus to come up with a good proposal.

Enough said - sorry for slightly hijacking your thread. Keep it going, Muffin!

I agree with Irifidel actually I don't think it should be allowed to target sources through the macro system.. that's just making the system too easy for botting. It's not really hard to use a single click to select sources, and if your harvest is > 200 you can't benefit from macroing, or you'll be digging spots with low source content anyhow.

you can add it to your Macro to do /tar with every different kind there is...something I will do eventually when I can get around to it (unless I can do it much simplier)

Point taken. Didn't think this one to the end. And I must admit, so far I did not try to macro nodes with specifically my name on them.

Since the macroing can be done already, even with the given means within the game, there's no reason to make it harder than it could be. Also while this certainly is a source code change, it could(!) be as much as a rather small one line change. More if there are internal/external dependencies on the format. If I were a dev here, I'd make this format configurable in a server config. Would allow easy "personalization" for other games derived from the open source ryzom core project.

a way to make this more realistic for RP reasons (and also much more difficult for the "Botters" and "Botting") is to obvcourse just get rid of the name completeley - forcing us all to click on the Sources that we want to dig and then the only way that we can tell what it is, is only from when we are actually Digging at it to find out

...but this would mean removing the Prospecting with Knowledges Stanza/Plan

maybe change the colour of the Sources to show different kinds of Sources (what is contained therein)
and make the Prospecting with Knowledges more visual but certainly less obvious (this is my suggestion for keeping Prospecting with Knowledges if the names are removed completely - and obvcourse this can be expanded upon, I was just making this up as I type...)

okay so I have been standing here in Zora just looking/staring blankly and absentmindedley at these Raw Material Sources with Magics floating around ithem - so maybe can have them changed to what it actually is...so for Seed there can be little Seeds floating around them instead of the little balls of Magic (this would be the "Prospection with Knowledge 1")

and then just simply make them glow a different colour for the different kinds/types of Seed - Beige Caprice, Red Sarina, Purple Saurona, Blue Silvio (this would be for "Prospection with Knowledge 2")

"Prospections with Knowledge 3"
and then the "Rocks" (this is just what I am calling for them) can be a different colour for Qualities (ie. Rocky with Gold veins Supreme, Rocky with Black veins Excellent, Rocky with White veins Choices, Rocky with Red veins Fine and just Rocky Basic...idk what colour Rocky is...maybe Grey/Gray?)

...idk if The Lore is preventing them from being any different Colour from Green

and maybe the different Seasonal Changes can impact on the different Colours...

if you want to be lazy and use macros like me for dig (it really does help shave off a few seconds plus! u wont accidentally click on a herbie and attack it, it DOES happen)

i recommend just prospecting without knowledge for grinding

it already works as-is

stop action
target an entity raw material source [eruv]
run shortcut

this also makes it possible to target your sources when other people are popping on top of yours (accidentally, or on purpose)

disadvantage is, you wont be able to check the source content so if you want to dig only 18+ nodes no luck, some will have 10 or less. this does not bother me, with one button macro i can eat and play ff4-2 and dig lazy with a big focus action 1-step dig if i want to

there are already bots, there will probably always be bots but it is not very efficient there are alot of ways for a bot to die and i die enough without being one :P

Bots, I've heard it all now. There are way too many ways to die as a REAL player, I'd like to see a bot survive moving around doing stuff, bet bots win the DP trophy, lolx.

Well not to be argumentative beyond just logical debate here.. ther'es a good number of perfectly safe locations that a bot could sit and dig PR mats for days without being aggro'd...

Kara TP in LoC is one.. I know there's others too (EF Kara comes to mind).

Bot wouldn't have to move beyond /tar ing the source and moving in. so think what you will but there are peple that have botted dig to master already.. why? because the system allows macroing the dig.

Unfortunately, the issue isn't macros here but being able to /tar for spots to begin with.

That's what I'm against. I did it like we all honest players do it.

I made a tar macro for my sources for one reason. To dig an extra node from time to time. The time saved vs. clicking on the next node is small, but it is finite and can add up. If the nodes work just right I could hit 8 out of ten spawned spots. I can't do this any more because I don't have the sap boosted armor and jewels that made that possible. This made grinding mats easy while leveling ecosystem digs.

It wouldn't help a bot because the process involved using two actions to deliberately kill the node before focus ran out, and that would not be possible in a bot because some of the alternate actions will kill you for certain modes.