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can go all the way to where i should be able to give a product, and nothing is showing up, the box just goes blank, does this everwhere regardless of system use status.

and someone should tell ppl that not giving producst doesn't mean that if the system goes "down" that it will not be fixed (not that this is an issue, this is one thing we all use, tough the payout for alignment is so much better then neutral (in dappers, civ points are rather useless to me really)

i think that the dapper payout should top out at 50 fame with the 10k per product, thought the civ points (which is more tied to RP and alignment) should go up from 100 at 50 fame to 125 @51 fame, 150 @69 fame, 175@85 fame, and 200 @99 fame, that would make it more worthwile for the non role playing players for the dappers, and still give a good bonus that RP players can get for aligning. but that's just my thoughts.

some about the current issue with this, some with crazy thoughts that not enough help will cause this to be gone for good (never happen) and my thoughts about dapper pay out in the now real world style economy of ryzom.

is there an offical bug tracker post for this? i'm still having major issues giving products to the guys, it takes 2 or 3 then just locks you out.

it would be really nice to know if anyone is still working on this or if we've just been left to deal with the issues on our own.

NH is a awesome part of the game, it would be nice to get an update on the status of the issues we're all having.

Talk -- I just started doing cartographer training and haven't had any problem giving the stuff and way more than 2 or 3.  Are you backing out all the way to (Hello) > (I want to help you)   in order to confirm that the NPC actually needs stuff?

Which NH person are you donating to?  The one in Zora is way over-fed.

Have you posted a ticket via Help > Support > Bug?

Have you asked on CeB?

yes it's the zora one, your right he's very over-fed, to combat that i transport around to each city 3 times (puts more ware on the system then a full 35 products will fix) after giving about 3 to 5 products sometimes (not always) it will suddenly stop responding to any input, and when that happens the only thing left to do is close the box, once the box is closed when you double click on the NH guy i can't even get the first bubble to pop up, none of the very first options like "i want to be transported" "not at this time" or "i want to help you" options will ever show up after that.

i did find a poor work around that suggest to me it's a random bug, and that's to log completely out of ryzom and then log back in, at which time it will work again.

so while it's a pain in the neck to deal with, i've found a way to "fix" it, and while a pain to do, it does work.

tried to post a ticket about it when it first happened to me, and nothing related to webig would work (nh uses webig) which leads me to believe it might be related to webig more then just the NH guys.

i did post here on the forum to see if anyone else was having this issue and to see if anyone else had a better "fix" then mine.

CeB is installed on my computer, but never seams to work right for me. (could be i have only turned it on twice and still really don't have a clue about it due to my lack of use)

but thanks bitty for the reply, and i hope that if you have this issue as well, that my "fix" will help you like it helped me. (today's turn in was to help a friend, i don't want to turn in any products myself untill talkmor is at 100 zorai fame, which won't take much longer as he's already over 80 in less then 4 days of full corpral missions in zora 4 times a day)

Hmmm...

Well, I would suggest  couple of things to try. 

First of all, since WebIG seems to be working at the moment, file a bug-report  suggesting that it isn't just related to WebIG failure.

Second, I am very careful to be patient when giving the materials so that WebIG has plenty of time to react, just because I know that WebIG is slow.  It might be that you're sending a trigger signal before the previous signal has cleared.

Good to know that the old standby, "log off and on again" works.

indeed, and as for the speed of my turn in, i keep system info open so i can see when the fame has been applied (or not) since that's the time when the dappers and civ points are awarded (in the past i've found if you go too fast you may not get your payout, so it's best to always watch system info for the fame message)

but i'll keep you posted on this issue if it comes back up next time i'll try again to file a ticket and see if they (csr's) can see something happening that is an issue for us all, or just for my client only.

thanks again bitty, and i hope that my little info's will help others that also have this issue.

still suffering odd bug with NH turn in of occ products

where the selection screen is normally due to show up, the box is large and blank, sometimes this error will only show up for a few minutes, sometimes it show's up for hours, and re-logging the entire client doesn't help any either, nor does using the transport system to tp around to ware it down help, i wore down zora into the yellow in about 3 or 4 hours time

typical talk:
(give or take 30 minutes, mostly give, since it's a long slow process, and hard on the hands and fingers, being able to give even 5 at a time would make it worth it, i would even welcome a longer wait for the credit, say as long as 3 minutes, and you would be unable to give for that amount of time, or just not get credit for handing them in too fast {much like the system now does, and has from day one, so its a working part to me})

back to serious:
if anyone else is having this problem please say so here, as i would like to see if they can look into this for everyone, i know at least 4 or 5 players that have had issues with this as well, and would like to see just how many ppl have this issue.

Every time I get the message that Talk is discribing I get the same error message in my log files: 2013/10/15 09:36:11 WRN 938 client_ryzom_rd.exe big_file.cpp 404 NLMISC::CBigFile::getFile : BF: Couldn't load 'gamedev.bnp@release_en.html?shardid=101&name=stiene& ;lang=en&datasetid=543061&ig=1'

i'm still waiting for a reply as to if there's ever going to be an option to save me from having to click 245 times to turn in 35 products (7 clicks per product), also would be nice if it didn't take as long as 30 seconds to get credit for turning in a product. (i won't mention the fact that a player can get 324 products in a day with 3 active mastered occupations, doing each level with 100% recipe and basic componets, with improved compontes it's 432 products a day max)

there's honestly no reason i can see not to improve this. and if there's a good reason, i'm all eyes to read it.

Edit:
also a note to add, i've seen the zora system wore complete down to the point that it take's a very long time to tp with the system, it will tp you, but it will take a long time to do so.

also it's been a year, how about an update to the "fine-tuning" of the system.

so we got the ability to turn in all products at one time, wonderful and greatly enjoyed "update". that was a huge start to making NH even better, and we loved it.

recently however, someone complained that NH was broken (in serious need of products) too often in some lands that slowed the transportation system down. for most of us that's not an issue as we have tp's or just trek. we rely on NH for dappers (non crafters need better income) and a few civ points (with little to spend them on, and even less of that tradeable between toons, there's little use for these at this time.)

they used the excuse "new players shouldn't have to wait to TP with NH". logically 98% of new players have NO CLUE what NH is until one of us teaches them, and while we expalin it all, they quickly see that there's little to gain from the TP's themselves, but the dappers are good vs the poor pay that other missions can provide (remember us non-crafters).

anyway, let's get to the point:

prior to the lastest "update" to NH the ware of the system was effective and still required a little time. however the most recent "update" has turned the process of turning in into another PITA that consumes far to much of my play time to simply hand in 36 products.

i have a proposal that will cure the problem that someone complained about, and another option that someone else gave me in discussion about this issue.

my idea*:

raise the "full" count of the system from 3,000 to 30,000. remove the latest update applied to NH and your done, problem solved.
the system is very likely never going to ware down to 0 (or below) from 30,000, and NH doesn't return to the PITA it was prior to the update allowing turnin of all products at one time.

* adding a single zero is a fix that would take less then 5 minutes to do, and the problem is solved without otherwise changing a thing (other then removing the last "update")

another Option:
another option suggested to me by another player related to the same issue:
change NH so that they are always in need of products.

while this would remove the RP feeling of NH, it would cure all the issues related to this problem. the issue here is that it would require much more work then just adding that "0" i spoke about.

i have a 3rd option but that's a project i'll start working on and testing myself, there's enough work-load for the creator of NH to do without addressing creating a new NPC that will buy occ products.

the bottom line:
NH was nice at the start, improved greatly when the option to turn in was changed, but this latest "update" has reverted NH back to the dispised system it was when turn in was one at a time.

final thought:
change things to make them better also known as "upgrade", don't change them and make them worse also known as "downgrade"

talk

system is virtually never in need of products, after this many YEARS i think it's about time to finally fix this system and remove the whole "needs use before you can help" this is the ONLY thing still making NH feel like it's a beta2 release. (the first beta was improved with the ability to turn all in at once, minor bug that allows 36 now vs original 35 resulted in this change), now if we could only turn in once every 23 hours reguardless of if the system is used or not (more often not used then used) we'd have a final product worthy of the greatness ryzom deserves.talk

NH should be fix and improved (modernized) next patch.

i hope so... still after all these years i sure hope so.