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#29 Added by Daomei 1 decade ago

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Clearly leeching is a derogatory term in this context, and it was meant exactly that way. I am not speaking about users of NH transports who simply use it as a transport medium, Those have only to care about the transport status when it is hitting the lower margins and threatens to degrade.

At the moment, the opposite is the case. NH transport status is constantly hitting the top margin rendering delivery of products impossible. The only way to clear stuffed transports for additional products is to do a teleport allowing few products to be handed in. In such a situation a bystander seeing another teleporting and using the opportunity is indeed leeching the few free space. If that is done seeing and knowing that one reaps the fruit of other deliverers it is an exploiting and abusive behaviour, If done unintentionally it is at least careless.

I like NH and frequently use it without any intention to hand in products. It is completely ok when that free space is used by somebody.

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#30 Added by Talkirc 1 decade ago

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I also use the system to travel, and in every region I have enough fame to use it "free". Soon I will have 50 fame in all regions, so my use will go on and increase.

Bitty, as always you give me things to consider that I otherwise over looked . While you are not a CSR you help as much and often IMHO more, not to mention that you really play the game.

Tonight after work I'll put the new info to use and see what the results are. It will take me 3 or 4 days because I like to be sure of my personal results .

Thanks everyone that takes the time to read and post.

See you around the big tree.

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#31 Added by Janaira 1 decade ago

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NH Transporters should not take the items (when helping) until they recieve the OK from the web part of the software. I've already lost 3 items today without recieving a reward. I guess those are timeouts?

The item should be locked or hidden to prevent players from removing it while the request is done. When the request is successful and the favor and cash is granted, it can be removed. On a timeout, it should be given back (with some informative message... try again later at least)

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#32 Added by Talkirc 1 decade ago

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i've had that problem as well, but i'm not going to complain about it, it's rare enough i look at it like a degrade, but i would like a better way to read the ware and tare on the system, and I STILL WANT OFFICAL ANSWERS PLEASE VARDDEN.

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#33 Added by Talkirc 1 decade ago

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Daomei (atys)

The color bar is telling about the usage of the system as opposed to the delivery of products.

A convenient workaround against overflow is just using the transport system (amazing, isn't it?), doing one or two teleports, then resume handing out products. That is always working for me and Diwu, and I am sure, to all of the rest as well.

i understand the color bar is susposed to show the ware and tare, but becasue of location to the occ used in that region, it's not much changed by use due to "over-give" so it should be a % NUMBER LIKE 1-100 %. so that a person can see it's at 99% efficentcy. (thus only taking some or even NONE of your products)

as to using tp and then giving, testing.
Janaira (atys)
NH Transporters should not take the items (when helping) until they recieve the OK from the web part of the software. I've already lost 3 items today without recieving a reward. I guess those are timeouts?

The item should be locked or hidden to prevent players from removing it while the request is done. When the request is successful and the favor and cash is granted, it can be removed. On a timeout, it should be given back (with some informative message... try again later at least)

it does happen if you give them too fast, watch your inventory screen to see your dappers deposit, once they deposit do it again, it will always give it then with maybe 1 in 30 (best guess because need more time before working numbers) fail rate. i look at that as a "crafting degrade", "an evaded/doged/parry", "an interuption/failure", "anger the kami", in other words it's not often enough to really call a bug yet, and is looking to be the rarest of those just listed, lolx.

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#34 Added by Talkirc 1 decade ago

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VARDDEN,
first off sorry to yell, it's been a month now, at least let me know it's being worked on.
talkIRC

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#35 Added by Vradden 1 decade ago

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During the Ranger event, New Horizons from forest will allow access to Almati Wood.

This access is only given to people who can not use npc providing it.

This access is, of course, completely OOC and it will be removed once the event ends.

#36 Added by Minou 1 decade ago

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The NPC providing access to almati is removed currently from yrkanis..

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#37 Added by Talkirc 1 decade ago

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can go all the way to where i should be able to give a product, and nothing is showing up, the box just goes blank, does this everwhere regardless of system use status.

and someone should tell ppl that not giving producst doesn't mean that if the system goes "down" that it will not be fixed (not that this is an issue, this is one thing we all use, tough the payout for alignment is so much better then neutral (in dappers, civ points are rather useless to me really)

i think that the dapper payout should top out at 50 fame with the 10k per product, thought the civ points (which is more tied to RP and alignment) should go up from 100 at 50 fame to 125 @51 fame, 150 @69 fame, 175@85 fame, and 200 @99 fame, that would make it more worthwile for the non role playing players for the dappers, and still give a good bonus that RP players can get for aligning. but that's just my thoughts.

some about the current issue with this, some with crazy thoughts that not enough help will cause this to be gone for good (never happen) and my thoughts about dapper pay out in the now real world style economy of ryzom.

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#38 Added by Talkirc 1 decade ago

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is there an offical bug tracker post for this? i'm still having major issues giving products to the guys, it takes 2 or 3 then just locks you out.

it would be really nice to know if anyone is still working on this or if we've just been left to deal with the issues on our own.

NH is a awesome part of the game, it would be nice to get an update on the status of the issues we're all having.

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#39 Added by Bitttymacod 1 decade ago

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Talk -- I just started doing cartographer training and haven't had any problem giving the stuff and way more than 2 or 3.  Are you backing out all the way to (Hello) > (I want to help you)   in order to confirm that the NPC actually needs stuff?

Which NH person are you donating to?  The one in Zora is way over-fed.

Have you posted a ticket via Help > Support > Bug?

Have you asked on CeB?

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#40 Added by Talkirc 1 decade ago

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yes it's the zora one, your right he's very over-fed, to combat that i transport around to each city 3 times (puts more ware on the system then a full 35 products will fix) after giving about 3 to 5 products sometimes (not always) it will suddenly stop responding to any input, and when that happens the only thing left to do is close the box, once the box is closed when you double click on the NH guy i can't even get the first bubble to pop up, none of the very first options like "i want to be transported" "not at this time" or "i want to help you" options will ever show up after that.

i did find a poor work around that suggest to me it's a random bug, and that's to log completely out of ryzom and then log back in, at which time it will work again.

so while it's a pain in the neck to deal with, i've found a way to "fix" it, and while a pain to do, it does work.

tried to post a ticket about it when it first happened to me, and nothing related to webig would work (nh uses webig) which leads me to believe it might be related to webig more then just the NH guys.

i did post here on the forum to see if anyone else was having this issue and to see if anyone else had a better "fix" then mine.

CeB is installed on my computer, but never seams to work right for me. (could be i have only turned it on twice and still really don't have a clue about it due to my lack of use)

but thanks bitty for the reply, and i hope that if you have this issue as well, that my "fix" will help you like it helped me. (today's turn in was to help a friend, i don't want to turn in any products myself untill talkmor is at 100 zorai fame, which won't take much longer as he's already over 80 in less then 4 days of full corpral missions in zora 4 times a day)

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#41 Added by Bitttymacod 1 decade ago

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Hmmm...

Well, I would suggest  couple of things to try. 

First of all, since WebIG seems to be working at the moment, file a bug-report  suggesting that it isn't just related to WebIG failure.

Second, I am very careful to be patient when giving the materials so that WebIG has plenty of time to react, just because I know that WebIG is slow.  It might be that you're sending a trigger signal before the previous signal has cleared.

Good to know that the old standby, "log off and on again" works.

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#42 Added by Talkirc 1 decade ago

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indeed, and as for the speed of my turn in, i keep system info open so i can see when the fame has been applied (or not) since that's the time when the dappers and civ points are awarded (in the past i've found if you go too fast you may not get your payout, so it's best to always watch system info for the fame message)

but i'll keep you posted on this issue if it comes back up next time i'll try again to file a ticket and see if they (csr's) can see something happening that is an issue for us all, or just for my client only.

thanks again bitty, and i hope that my little info's will help others that also have this issue.

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#43 Added by Talkirc 1 decade ago

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still suffering odd bug with NH turn in of occ products

where the selection screen is normally due to show up, the box is large and blank, sometimes this error will only show up for a few minutes, sometimes it show's up for hours, and re-logging the entire client doesn't help any either, nor does using the transport system to tp around to ware it down help, i wore down zora into the yellow in about 3 or 4 hours time

typical talk:
(give or take 30 minutes, mostly give, since it's a long slow process, and hard on the hands and fingers, being able to give even 5 at a time would make it worth it, i would even welcome a longer wait for the credit, say as long as 3 minutes, and you would be unable to give for that amount of time, or just not get credit for handing them in too fast {much like the system now does, and has from day one, so its a working part to me})

back to serious:
if anyone else is having this problem please say so here, as i would like to see if they can look into this for everyone, i know at least 4 or 5 players that have had issues with this as well, and would like to see just how many ppl have this issue.

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