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To the correct statement that PvP and RP are not mutually exclusive, I would add what I feel in an equally true statement that PvP and RP are not dependent on each other.

As a person who enjoys both RP and PVP, I second that. And PVP, just like RP, can only be interesting when the people in front of you are playing the same game, with you.
Aniro may (or may not, I have no way to compare) have been more pvp oriented than other servers, but that doesn't mean you couldn't go into PR withou getting shot, far from it. Whe had a famous bandit at some point that used to ransom harvester in PR (an extremist follower of the Kami), he had a hard time playing that role but still did for the fun of it. Otherwise, most PVP in PR used to take place at the change of season, and even then not all the time (I know many people who used to go alone without bodyguards and always managed to harvest sup mats). Still, it made fighters usefull as an escort for harvesters, which made for great guild activities (I was such a fighter non harvester). But I understand not everybody would enjoy it, all right.

Back to the topic, I have not noticed a community tendency. I have found people from all 3 servers practicing the "first come first served" way, and some just blasting what they found without regard for people who were waiting for the repop. I xould say about 1/2 would wait for their "turn", and 1/2 went FFA (but most of them, if called on their behavior, would apologise/correct their way of doing, and then at the next pop, would let me kill the bandits I had been waiting before they arrived). I only encountered a handfull that would just ignore/tell me to go to hell when asked to please let me go first, I have been here for 15 minutes already.

Now, I won't say people who are going for the FFA way are "bad people" or whatever, but I must admit that I find it very irritating, and would be so much happier if those annoying few would aknowledge other players around them, and take into account what they might want/like/feel. Makes me feel more like I play a MMO, you know, being social and all that.

Bitty:

Excellent post....I am at a loss to understand this delusion of a "minority" who played that way unless they changed the definition of minority to mean "everyone on server except 2 people". And as to this fixation about groups of people who dig 24/7...I don't know anyone who does that.

I have had friends attacked in PR just traveling to other lands to get TP's. I pay the same subscription rate as everyone else and don't accept the mindset that I can't access part of the game. I don't accept the fact that every single event since the merge was announced is at a time when the entire western hemisphere is at work.

I don't have a need to force my mode of play on others. I freely share what I harvest or craft with anyone who asks. The point is the servers were merged because of small player base. My thought is everyone wants to continue, we should do all that we can to accomodate all types of players. If we don't, then the merge won't solve anything when players start leaving.

Freddy,

I think the issue with PvP killings down in PR can be avoided by those who dont want to participate, in all situations, except treks. Perople need to go from Zora to FH and vice versa. You gotta go through ToT to do that, unless you wanna go all around the world to avoid it. So I guess groups trekking will have to travel in larger numbers to be able to protect themselves.

For those leveling PR foraging, you can still do it in the lvl 250 zones or the Abyss. Those zones are not PvP free. For those after the SNs, you can still dig 250 sups in Wastelands or US.

With that said, I still find that it's always the same couple guilds taking every opportunity they can to kill random people in PR, steal mobs and bandits from right under your nose after you are already engaged with them and generally playing in a very selfish way. And quite honestly it doesnt seem like a faction issue eoither, they just target whoever is in their way. *shrugs*

Everyone else I met has been great, just these couple guilds.

About PvP and PvP rewards in general....

Before the merge we had:

- FvF OPs with products:
-- to make valuable tools and weapons
-- get valuable cats
-- (almost) free declaration and drill setup

- More or less FvF:
-- valuable points (recently changed to useless points)

- Umbra GvG/FvF on SNs:
-- Not really done much bc raw materials were already stacked in multiple GHs.

Now we have:

- FvF OPs mostly without products:
-- to make useless tools, no weapons
-- get no cats
-- very expensive declaration and drill setup (not worth the effort)

- More or less FvF:
-- most people have not famed much and bc of that very low amount of useless points

- Umbra GvG/FvF on SNs:
-- done much bc it's the only pvp reward currently in game. furthermore raw materials are currently worth a lot.

Wait what?

What he means is that the current OPs produce useless tool mats, and the ones with useful PvP mats aren't available yet.

Yeah, drills are broken on most ops and toolmaking is limited to Q10.

Has anyone checked the "made" tools to be sure that they are limited in the same way that "bought" tools are?

Yes and they are.

Dang. That's gotta get fixed, and sooner rather than later, imho.

Until now I only met very polite people from all three communities who were willing to share the bandits or who accepted the queue. Often a short /tell helps a lot. But even if a majority would ignore the queue I would still wait until those who were there before me are finished with their tasks. Why? Not because I hope that others will change their behavior. Just because I want to have good feeling after doing my missions, knowing that I behaved politely. It doesn't matter for me if the others have noticed my politeness that or not.

In my about 8 years of playing on Leanon I was killed only one time in PR and that was in the first 5 months on a Trek. Being the leader of a neutral non-PvP guild we set the rule that only self-defence is allowed after a clearly aggressive act.
But if I would be attacked I never would complain or even get angry because I was warned. I know I can be killed if I enter the lands of Umbra or Nexus. I accepted the rules when I entered this region and if someone attacks me I have no right to insult him for that. I don't have to like it! I can question whether this is good for the game/community or not. And I maybe can complain the way this happened. But I will not complain, it was my choice to enter these regions.

Kudos Chanchey! We need more diplomatic posts like this. I have great respect for the way to worded yourself and I am totally behind you on it. We can have our opinions and our ways and try to also respect others' opinions and their ways.

Different people enjoy different things, and we may agree or disagree with them, as is our individual right, as long as we do not infringe on others. I do not judge anyone for liking what they like, nor do I like anyone making generalising statements about any one community. Atys is a great place for every kind of Homin... granted some are a bit advantaged imho! but there is something for everyone, I think.

I felt I had to add my comments, as Phaedrea's Tears has been a totally neutral guild for many years, in fact it was due to celebrate its 8th (RL years) birthday on 16th October.

We are a completely neutral guild and we will not attack any other player controlled homin, under any circumstances, however we accept that some regions of Atys are not safe and there are those who do not feel the same way as we do, about aggression toward other homins. This does not mean that we uphold the approach of doing what you like, regardless of the effect it may have on other homins.

I would not walk into a restaurant, a factory, or a garden, in RL and kill, injure, or even verbally abuse the people there, just because I can. I apply the same rule to the guild, here on Atys.

We try to help all of those who will benefit from and appreciate our help.

Remember: Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Tynee
The proud and squishy little Leader of Phaedrea's Tears