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#58 Added by Gorran 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Winnerx
Gorran
Do not look a gift horse in the mouth. Your ability to play for FREE is a GIFT from WinchGate.
what kind of gift is it !!!!
as far as i know : if gifts have given you have not to ask to give them back !!
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so if you consider "the ability to play for free is a gift" then let ppl do that and do not say if you'arnt going to subb we will wipe your levels

The GIFT is that you can play for free. If they limited F2P to Silan, as has been done in the past, then the gift is still available: Play for free. If they wipe all F2P toons but continue to allow F2P, then the gift is still available: Play for free.

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Eldest, Order of the White Lotus

#59 Added by Winnerx 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Gorran
Winnerx
Gorran
Do not look a gift horse in the mouth. Your ability to play for FREE is a GIFT from WinchGate.
what kind of gift is it !!!!
as far as i know : if gifts have given you have not to ask to give them back !!
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so if you consider "the ability to play for free is a gift" then let ppl do that and do not say if you'arnt going to subb we will wipe your levels

The GIFT is that you can play for free. If they limited F2P to Silan, as has been done in the past, then the gift is still available: Play for free. If they wipe all F2P toons but continue to allow F2P, then the gift is still available: Play for free.
c'mon Gorran do not seem that you didnt understand what devs were trying to say
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they force F2P's to subb by indirect way cuz no one would want to lose all his mini-masters skills

#60 Added by Sywindt(Yubo) 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Let's not turn this into a yes/no repetative and repetative thread please. I'll lock it if there are no new arguments forthcoming. Thank you for your cooperation.

For clarity, the merger is primarily a financial decision. Ryzom has been losing money for a long time. It was thought the open sourcing and "F2P" free-trial system would help. They did help, but not enough, and since Winch Gate's coffers are not bottomless, it was either close the game or cut back on costs. As server costs are quite high, a merge was the only way to keep the game alive.

If you love Ryzom, please subscribe and keep this wonderful game in the air!

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#61 Added by Gorran 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Sywindt
If you love Ryzom, please subscribe and keep this wonderful game in the air!

+1

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Eldest, Order of the White Lotus

#62 Added by Tyk 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Oh yes, there it is! Some really obnoxious replies with no attempt to disguise the contempt you have against F2P.

Let's set it straight right now. F2P is a marketing ploy, nothing more. It is not a 'gift'. Ryzom's best source of new players is through word of mouth. What better way to achieve that than through F2P. Of course with attitudes like those displayed above, I don't know how effective the marketing is. But at least he tells it like he believes - no attempt to hide it - and freely admits that his stand is well known.

Put me on your Ignore list - you surely just made mine. And from a name I used to respect. That shows you how little I knew. It's really amazing how some "pixel power" can effect some people.

#63 Added by Yenno 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Sywindt
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT
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please as F2P's community we need some support( just some nice stuff !!) to push us to continue playing this LOVELY GAME - and most of us we will subb when we're able to

otherwise as you saw above !!! P2P's said that since F2P's do not help game ( pay for it)
they have no rights to ask for anything - is it right ?
thanks for your interesting again ( and sorry for my english)

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#64 Added by Naema 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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I am subbed and yes I feel f2p people should be encouraged to subb too. But I must say I feel sorry for them especially if they cannot afford it at the moment. What if the player is too young to have a job to pay right now and is saving up all his pennies to play? To kill off their toon to me I feel is still like murder!
Maybe f2p should only be up to lvl 75 or something

#65 Added by Entendu 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Tyk
Oh yes, there it is! Some really obnoxious replies with no attempt to disguise the contempt you have against F2P.

Let's set it straight right now. F2P is a marketing ploy, nothing more. It is not a 'gift'. Ryzom's best source of new players is through word of mouth. What better way to achieve that than through F2P. Of course with attitudes like those displayed above, I don't know how effective the marketing is. But at least he tells it like he believes - no attempt to hide it - and freely admits that his stand is well known.

Put me on your Ignore list - you surely just made mine. And from a name I used to respect. That shows you how little I knew. It's really amazing how some "pixel power" can effect some people.

Rofl
Naema
Maybe f2p should only be up to lvl 75 or something

This would be alright. When I started the f2p was Silan thats it. If I wanted to join my friends I Pyr I had to pay.

#66 Added by Yenno 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Naema
I am subbed and yes I feel f2p people should be encouraged to subb too. But I must say I feel sorry for them especially if they cannot afford it at the moment. What if the player is too young to have a job to pay right now and is saving up all his pennies to play? To kill off their toon to me I feel is still like murder!
+1
Naema
Maybe f2p should only be up to lvl 75 or something
do not think so cause when ppl reach 125 lvl the game would look more lovely
and they will subb for sure when they're able to

#67 Added by Gorran 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Tyk
Oh yes, there it is! Some really obnoxious replies with no attempt to disguise the contempt you have against F2P.

Assumptions, assumptions. I have four children, my own flesh and blood, that play using f2p. I cannot afford to subscribe everyone that plays in my home. I have no contempt for f2p. I feel pity for people who are given a free opportunity—of any kind, not just here in Ryzom—and then whine about the restrictions, whatever they maybe, placed on that free opportunity. They have missed their own greatness through their own ingratitude. As my boy said, "Well, at least I can still play!"

Some of my favorite players are using f2p accounts. Some of my least favorite are subscribed. The ONLY time I make a distinction is when players ask about guild halls, apartments or packers because that is the only time, in game, when it makes a significant difference.

Out of game, there is a very simple but significant difference between p2p and f2p accounts. One pays and one doesn't. One is a customer and one is, as you said Tyk, a marketing ploy.
Tyk
Put me on your Ignore list - you surely just made mine. And from a name I used to respect. That shows you how little I knew. It's really amazing how some "pixel power" can effect some people.
Don't know if you're talking about me or someone else. Believe as you feel you must, Gorran will still heal and help any homin who asks it.

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#68 Added by Wildsman 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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I'm ok with my F2P toon's levels being wiped. This sacrifice is certainly no greater or more tragic
than all the inactive P2P toons being deleted, or the loss of rare artifacts by active P2P'ers.

That said, I'm a bit taken aback when I see the following (in this thread, and similar things in other threads):

"FREELOADING"
"waste of bandwidth"
"In most cases accepting your help is just to make you feel warm and fuzzy and useful. Charity, just like the rest of your Ryzom experience."
"Theres plenty more where you came from. Lots of people willing to take something for nothing."
"you can't funtion without US the paying players."
"ungrateful and greedy"

Sywindt has affirmed that the F2P program has helped Ryzom's financial situation. These are future Ryzom subscribers that you are talking about, and people that are giving free and much needed word-of-mouth advertising for the game. Please take care to be a little more diplomatic.

#69 Added by Yenno 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Tyk
Oh yes, there it is! Some really obnoxious replies with no attempt to disguise the contempt you have against F2P.
+1 i found out(based on comments above) most of P2P's hate F2P's and they think they're the only players who keep this game alive and F2P's are profitless
really not good to hear i thought that we're one community and we should help any one who needs to
i really was very happy when i heard that P2P's will keep their levels
and i thought they are going to help us to keep ours too or at least to get some rewads
but unfortunately i was wrong
*Winds blow counter to what ships desire*

#70 Added by Yenno 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Wildsman

That said, I'm a bit taken aback when I see the following (in this thread, and similar things in other threads):

"FREELOADING"
"waste of bandwidth"
"In most cases accepting your help is just to make you feel warm and fuzzy and useful. Charity, just like the rest of your Ryzom experience."
"Theres plenty more where you came from. Lots of people willing to take something for nothing."
"you can't funtion without US the paying players."
"ungrateful and greedy"

Sywindt has affirmed that the F2P program has helped Ryzom's financial situation. These are future Ryzom subscribers that you are talking about, and people that are giving free and much needed word-of-mouth advertising for the game. Please take care to be a little more diplomatic.
+1

#71 Added by Dareth 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Yenno
most of P2P's hate F2P's and they think they're the only players who keep this game alive and F2P's are profitless

I really don't think this is the case. I've met some good players that are F2P and they seem to add to the game for me. There are also some that really go out of their way to help the newcomers.

That being said, I understand why it's beneficial to reroll F2P. I'm not at all opposed to some way of allowing F2P players a way to save at least their main though. It would have to cost cash though and still allow them to return to F2P status. If it doesn't cost cash a million alts would clear the reset as well.

It's possible many alts would even get paid for.

#72 Added by Hadriankross 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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The following are the very basic problems that are causing much of these concerns, tensions, strife etc.

1. Paying players had to work very hard to save the game the first time. I can certainly simpathise with that.

2. The entire community (most, if not all players, p2p, f2p, dev, csr, whatever) fought for 2.0. It was really an amazing effort, and we shouldn't lose sight of that. Many of you posting here are being very disrespectful... Perhaps you would like to go back to 1.0?

In some ways F2P resent the fact that some P2P are pretty much giving up, now that they have what they want...

The message from some of these p2p is simple "We have our game again, we don't need you anymore, good luck with that."

Though threatening to unsub may have an effect, f2p players must take a different approach, and appeal to ethics and fair play--not to mention good morals. This is invaluable in this industry. I much prefer this approach to the alternative. Arguably, without F2P we would all still be stick in 1.0.

3. A very important concern is MOST F2P still do not know if even their identities are going to be retained after the merge. The issue of levels notwithstanding, at the very least, we simply need a way to retain our character's identities.

I suggest we stop fighting each other--poisoning the air--and see if something like 2.1 etc comes out of it, because if they can manage to save f2p levels, along with some very rare and hard to obtain p2p items, that would be a great achievement.

Given the way 1.0 was put forward, they probably don't mind if some p2p stop playing--that being the trolls--and I for one am going to stop feeding them...
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