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#53 Added by Baldanah 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Winnerx
Beeticus:
1-if it did for years why it did not keep as that way !!!!
2-for me is months and do not know about others so i thought might be years
i was playing almost 10h or so/day its hard working for me
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1) Because they can't financially afford to run so many servers at the current model style .

2) So your happy to play the game for 10hrs a day for months on end , for " free " ( i fail to see how that is hard work to be perfectly honest ) , and still expect more from the devs ................

Surely if you enjoyed the game that much and want to keep your current character/s , you would wash a couple of cars or mow someones lawn / do some gardening work each month ( or soemthing else , afterall , it really isn't that expensive ) and pay a subscription for it ?

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#54 Added by Winnerx 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Gorran
Do not look a gift horse in the mouth. Your ability to play for FREE is a GIFT from WinchGate.
what kind of gift is it !!!!
as far as i know : if gifts have given you have not to ask to give them back !!
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so if you consider "the ability to play for free is a gift" then let ppl do that and do not say if you'arnt going to subb we will wipe your levels

#55 Added by Katla 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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This thread is mind-boggling! o.O
I have a hard time imagining a similar discussion in any other game....

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#56 Added by Gorran 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Ulykus
While I agree on most part i really disagree that playing F2P is all about receiving charity. It is true in a financial way but i don't care very much about that one.

Teaming and hunting bosses with F2P players brought loads of fun to me. In fact it was one of the activities i liked most for some time. And indeed it made no difference to my fun if my teammates were capped 125s or subbed 150s.

But... i personally never met a single F2P player that completely refused to sub at any future time and was still fun to play with. Those that saw F2P as a trial will most likely sub now. And that is the important part.

The fact remains that f2p is at the beneficence of Winch Gate. If anyone wants the benefits offered to Winch Gate's paying customers, then pay for them. That is absolutely fair and anyone who says it isn't is ungrateful and greedy.

As to the quality of the people that play f2p, we're all people; so, why wouldn't they be just as wonderful or irritating, resourceful or dumb, friendly or trollish as anyone else? :)

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#57 Added by Winnerx 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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personally as i said - i was planning to subb after 2 months when i mini-mastered all my skills and when i WILL BE ABLE TO
but do not think i will do same things after wipping all our levels :(

#58 Added by Gorran 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Winnerx
Gorran
Do not look a gift horse in the mouth. Your ability to play for FREE is a GIFT from WinchGate.
what kind of gift is it !!!!
as far as i know : if gifts have given you have not to ask to give them back !!
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so if you consider "the ability to play for free is a gift" then let ppl do that and do not say if you'arnt going to subb we will wipe your levels

The GIFT is that you can play for free. If they limited F2P to Silan, as has been done in the past, then the gift is still available: Play for free. If they wipe all F2P toons but continue to allow F2P, then the gift is still available: Play for free.

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#59 Added by Winnerx 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Gorran
Winnerx
Gorran
Do not look a gift horse in the mouth. Your ability to play for FREE is a GIFT from WinchGate.
what kind of gift is it !!!!
as far as i know : if gifts have given you have not to ask to give them back !!
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so if you consider "the ability to play for free is a gift" then let ppl do that and do not say if you'arnt going to subb we will wipe your levels

The GIFT is that you can play for free. If they limited F2P to Silan, as has been done in the past, then the gift is still available: Play for free. If they wipe all F2P toons but continue to allow F2P, then the gift is still available: Play for free.
c'mon Gorran do not seem that you didnt understand what devs were trying to say
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they force F2P's to subb by indirect way cuz no one would want to lose all his mini-masters skills

#60 Added by Sywindt(Yubo) 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Let's not turn this into a yes/no repetative and repetative thread please. I'll lock it if there are no new arguments forthcoming. Thank you for your cooperation.

For clarity, the merger is primarily a financial decision. Ryzom has been losing money for a long time. It was thought the open sourcing and "F2P" free-trial system would help. They did help, but not enough, and since Winch Gate's coffers are not bottomless, it was either close the game or cut back on costs. As server costs are quite high, a merge was the only way to keep the game alive.

If you love Ryzom, please subscribe and keep this wonderful game in the air!

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#61 Added by Gorran 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Sywindt
If you love Ryzom, please subscribe and keep this wonderful game in the air!

+1

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#62 Added by Tyk 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Oh yes, there it is! Some really obnoxious replies with no attempt to disguise the contempt you have against F2P.

Let's set it straight right now. F2P is a marketing ploy, nothing more. It is not a 'gift'. Ryzom's best source of new players is through word of mouth. What better way to achieve that than through F2P. Of course with attitudes like those displayed above, I don't know how effective the marketing is. But at least he tells it like he believes - no attempt to hide it - and freely admits that his stand is well known.

Put me on your Ignore list - you surely just made mine. And from a name I used to respect. That shows you how little I knew. It's really amazing how some "pixel power" can effect some people.

#63 Added by Yenno 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Sywindt
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT
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please as F2P's community we need some support( just some nice stuff !!) to push us to continue playing this LOVELY GAME - and most of us we will subb when we're able to

otherwise as you saw above !!! P2P's said that since F2P's do not help game ( pay for it)
they have no rights to ask for anything - is it right ?
thanks for your interesting again ( and sorry for my english)

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#64 Added by Naema 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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I am subbed and yes I feel f2p people should be encouraged to subb too. But I must say I feel sorry for them especially if they cannot afford it at the moment. What if the player is too young to have a job to pay right now and is saving up all his pennies to play? To kill off their toon to me I feel is still like murder!
Maybe f2p should only be up to lvl 75 or something

#65 Added by Entendu 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Tyk
Oh yes, there it is! Some really obnoxious replies with no attempt to disguise the contempt you have against F2P.

Let's set it straight right now. F2P is a marketing ploy, nothing more. It is not a 'gift'. Ryzom's best source of new players is through word of mouth. What better way to achieve that than through F2P. Of course with attitudes like those displayed above, I don't know how effective the marketing is. But at least he tells it like he believes - no attempt to hide it - and freely admits that his stand is well known.

Put me on your Ignore list - you surely just made mine. And from a name I used to respect. That shows you how little I knew. It's really amazing how some "pixel power" can effect some people.

Rofl
Naema
Maybe f2p should only be up to lvl 75 or something

This would be alright. When I started the f2p was Silan thats it. If I wanted to join my friends I Pyr I had to pay.

#66 Added by Yenno 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Naema
I am subbed and yes I feel f2p people should be encouraged to subb too. But I must say I feel sorry for them especially if they cannot afford it at the moment. What if the player is too young to have a job to pay right now and is saving up all his pennies to play? To kill off their toon to me I feel is still like murder!
+1
Naema
Maybe f2p should only be up to lvl 75 or something
do not think so cause when ppl reach 125 lvl the game would look more lovely
and they will subb for sure when they're able to

#67 Added by Gorran 1 decade ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Tyk
Oh yes, there it is! Some really obnoxious replies with no attempt to disguise the contempt you have against F2P.

Assumptions, assumptions. I have four children, my own flesh and blood, that play using f2p. I cannot afford to subscribe everyone that plays in my home. I have no contempt for f2p. I feel pity for people who are given a free opportunity—of any kind, not just here in Ryzom—and then whine about the restrictions, whatever they maybe, placed on that free opportunity. They have missed their own greatness through their own ingratitude. As my boy said, "Well, at least I can still play!"

Some of my favorite players are using f2p accounts. Some of my least favorite are subscribed. The ONLY time I make a distinction is when players ask about guild halls, apartments or packers because that is the only time, in game, when it makes a significant difference.

Out of game, there is a very simple but significant difference between p2p and f2p accounts. One pays and one doesn't. One is a customer and one is, as you said Tyk, a marketing ploy.
Tyk
Put me on your Ignore list - you surely just made mine. And from a name I used to respect. That shows you how little I knew. It's really amazing how some "pixel power" can effect some people.
Don't know if you're talking about me or someone else. Believe as you feel you must, Gorran will still heal and help any homin who asks it.

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