A New Beginning 2.0 - OFFICIAL NEWS - Ryzom Community Forum

#159 Added by Tgwaste 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

Bitttymacod

If you compare the loss of levels gained for free to the loss of items, mementos and teleport pacts that the paid vets are getting, I'm afraid that I don't see that the F2P players are getting more screwed than the rest of us are. The loss of items and dappers is necessary to restart the economy. The loss of teleports is part and parcel of the same. (The fact that any cash/dapper-based economy is doomed by the continuous flood of materials is beside the point.) The merge is necessary for RL economic reasons. The internal economic reset is designed to help attract players who want to buy things rather than trade them. The revision of the terms of the reset is designed to keep paying vets on board who would otherwise leave. No one is happy, which means that something approaching equity has been achieved. ("In a true compromise, no one is completely happy.")

-- just some night thoughts.

-- Bittty

The design of this game does not lend itself to a dapper based economy. You can reset as many times as you want but without things like high level drops that can be sold in an auction house you will never have any real economy there. The pricing of things needs to fluctuate. Supply and Demand needs to happen and these two things need to be determined by the players in an organic way. The game does not lend to that. Not saying that the current way we do things is wrong or incorrect. Im perfectly happy with it. But what WG wants with regards to dappers, aint happening :)

They can ofcourse make things painful. Make things cost more dappers, nerf teleporting, etc. But thats not the same thing.

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#160 Added by Tgwaste 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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Beeficus

PS. Rofl at all the trolls: "WG sux blah blah you are sheep blah blah you got played blah blah I'm going to be a marauder or sit here and troll the forum to prove my point"
None of you are buying what you are shovelling or you would have unsubbed and walked away already :P nice try tho (thats for the repeat posters, not the ones who have a legitimate opinion, post it and are done)

Not true. I can dislike the company but still like the game and its players. Also.. this is pretty troll'ish

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#161 Added by Hadrisian 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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While loss of f2p levels may be comparable to loss of old one items, (like very unique, and very hard-to-find/obtain/earn items, etc), please don't forget MOST (not many but most) of the F2P player base is in danger of losing their identities as well...

This is causing a great deal of uncertainty and stress within the F2P community.
If we really are in the vast majority (over 2/3 player base), then this has probably also had some effect gamewide--esp. when there are events when competition over Basic Starter Packs occurs...

I think it would be very helpful for this game, if F2P players were given some assurances that at least our identities will carry over, if we show at least some willingness to keep a particular character.

This could be expressed in a number of very simple ways like a ticket, acknowledgment under Temporary Fixes, or simple participation (not competition) in any event.

Simple acknowledgement is the way many understood it when announced.

Thanks,
Hadrisian, Zehssad, HadrianKross

#162 Added by Gorran 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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Hadrisian

This could be expressed in a number of very simple ways like a ticket, acknowledgment under Temporary Fixes, or simple participation (not competition) in any event.

Um, Yumeroh already said that f2p only have to participate, not compete. Read the second point under free account from the very first post which I quote below:

Yumeroh (Aniro)

If you have a free account, you have the choice between:
Doing nothing: In this case, all characters of the account will be deleted.
Involve one or more of your characters in events before the servers close: In this case, their levels will be reset and will start with a Basic Pack.
If your character should win a Silver Pack, it will replace the Basic Pack.

All starter packs save the toon's look and name.

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#163 Added by Hadrisian 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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True, and thanks for clarifying, but the way some of them are playing out is a form of competition for survival against fellow Homins...

Either give them to everyone who participates, or no one.

Competing over them is just kinda sad and gross imo.

Hopefully the TP tour on Sat. will be more inclusive, and more universal with the Basic Starter Packs.

Also, if Refugee Starter Packs existed, they would be very easy to give out if some CSR's would like to stand around in the camp in Silan for a bit. We've started from nothing before, and Silan is not a bad place to do it again.

edit: that's in terms of getting a starter pack at all, competing for a silver one over a basic one is a different issue
edit: we experienced at least one on silan yesterday on Ari, where only 3 were given out on ML, and 3 on silan... interesting gesture, but the result was not so good

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#164 Added by Tumaini(arispotle) 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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Is there something I'm missing about the wiki calendar?
The OP mentioned the event details would be there, but I can't find them.

#165 Added by Yuritau 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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I can't see anything there either.

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#166 Added by Marroman 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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Personally I think this new beginning will be beneficial. Cant wait to discover Ryzom and play with fellow players

#167 Added by Seawe 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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Bitttymacod

The routes to the higher level dig areas will be blocked with kitin of increasing levels. (This was in the earlier announcement.)

hmm i don't see where thats mentioned. No where do i remember them talking of a kitin invasion. before or after

Unless peps are talking of PvP I really don't see how older homins over power new homins. If you're new and don't want help then fine dont take. But Ryzom is set up so there are low lvl areas and higher lvl areas, I don't see many high lvl players farming low lvl mobs etc. I just don't see where this idea of 'over powerment' comes from. unless its PvP in which case you should say "PvP" not in the game general.

Creating a level playing field is silly ryzom is stratified by regions naturally. I just don't see it. And not sure how they intend to fix dappers, the only problem with dappers is that theres no big ticket items to buy since we're limited to certain numbers of mektoubs, apts, guild halls. yea not seeing it. am i missing something?

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#168 Added by Hadrisian 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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not sure what was going on with 1.0

but the server stratification issue was concerning a 2x xp bonus from lvl 1...

#169 Added by Seawe 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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i was refering to the reasons for the reset wipe that some keep talking about. Paying players will definitly be separated from f2p because of the xp change.

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#170 Added by Cixous(arispotle) 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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Hi all,

My brother and I played this game for a few months back in 2009. We were thinking about resubbing (P2P) when we got emails about "A New Beginning 2.0" and saw that all servers would be wiped and merged to one server.

After digging around for info a bit it looks like only free players will be wiped and those with subs with keep everything? I suppose this makes sense from the standpoint of catering to those who have been paying Ryzom's bills for the last several years. However, my brother and I have no interest in resubbing and playing again after finding out that it wasn't a full wipe for everyone. Maybe if their were two servers (one for those who elect to keep anything and another for those who are willing to have everything but their name/appearance wiped?) we would be interested.

Just thought the powers that be and the community would like another perspective. :)

#171 Added by Hadrisian 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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Seawe

i was refering to the reasons for the reset wipe that some keep talking about. Paying players will definitly be separated from f2p because of the xp change.

oic that's cool

server merge will make a more populated world, but all the other changes seem very unwelcomed by the players, not to mention causing a great deal of strife beforehand.

not sure who they consulted on that issue, but I think the players know alot better than they do.

should have asked us beforehand, as we would have given that info for free

#172 Added by Jelathnia 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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Cixous

After digging around for info a bit it looks like only free players will be wiped and those with subs with keep everything?

Not everything. Even those who keep the most possible will lose all of their items (by "apartment items" they mean furniture, not items stored in the apartment), any special titles they have (except for the beta title "Elder of Atys"; I don't for sure what will happen to the Windermeer title "Wayfarer" or the Cho title "Journeyer"), their fame, their occupations, their guilds...am I forgetting anything? Plus, many map marks will be invalidated by the change-around of resource and mob spawn locations.

#173 Added by Gorran 1 decade ago Report | Quote [en]

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Jelathnia

except for the beta title "Elder of Atys"; I don't for sure what will happen to the Windermeer title "Wayfarer" or the Cho title "Journeyer"

Those are all three account bound titles. That being the case, all three titles should work the same.

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