possible changes for neutrals?? - IDEAS FOR RYZOM

#1 Added by Meggy 1 decade ago [en]

Since there is a re-start. I was wondering if it were possible to change the teleports for neutrals. Everyone factioned has an opportunity to get 250 zone and PR tps. Could it be worked out so we continue to have the non alligned tps as we do now but when we reach 25 fame in all 4 races, we get to buy some smaller city tps like Avendale etc. and when we reach 50 in both factions we some 250 zones, and then at 50 in everything we can by PR???? please please pretty please? If not that, something to make it level? Changes have been made to accommodate the Marauders why not the positive famed Neutrals? We work just as hard as everyone else to max our fame, but with everyone. We as neutrals have managed to master in PR with out the tps, but it would be nice to have the same benefits.

Thanks,

Meg ~
Friend of all homins, no matter their race or religion...

#2 Added by Suboxide 1 decade ago [en]

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+1
Was marauder now but I've been theist/hominist in past, giving neutrals some tp's would be great maybe after some kind of rite.

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#3 Added by Wintergreen 1 decade ago [en]

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+1

How about giving them some of that fancy Crystal technology? :D

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#4 Added by Npee 1 decade ago [en]

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+1 on that. Why not make neutral a viable style for the game instead of only offering the enemy of all option?

#5 Added by Irfidel 1 decade ago [en]

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+1 ppls with lots of sugar on top.
Seriously, I hope there's somewhat better travel opportunities when we get the other factions: Rangers and Trytonists.

#6 Added by Tyneetryk 1 decade ago [en]

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Regardless of the various opinions about neutral homins, I have been truly neutral since my birth on Atys.

For me complete neutrality is a viable option, even if we are disadvantaged in some ways. We have the advantage of being able to help unfactioned, non-aligned, new mainland homins to trek across Atys, to get them to all of the neutral TPs and to help them train close to all neutral TPs. We can also do all four Civilisation Faction Runs!

Some recognition of the fact that truly neutral homins do have something to offer and don't have an easy life, would be appreciated.

We will not show aggression to any other homins. It is not a sign of weakness, it's a sign of strength.

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#7 Added by Ulykus 1 decade ago [en]

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I've been playing a theist toon for a very long time and made a kami one 'recently'.

And i have to say... i miss some tps with both of them now. Neutrals got awesome access to regions up to q200. Neutrals can walk to q250 regions except GoC quickly and easily. Most PR regions are reachable well too - except for the low-lvl ones (GoO and WG), and that is somewhat annoying.

As a kami i get awesome access to PR but some restrictions on surface.

What i think would be great: Allow civ factioned homins to tp to every town inside their nation.

#8 Added by Jable 1 decade ago [en]

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Ulykus

What i think would be great: Allow civ factioned homins to tp to every town inside their nation.

This, please!

I think neutral have the advantage of having safe and conveniently located teleports. Having access to the PR is a bit over the top, but it would be nice to have one for every 250 region.

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#9 Added by Suboxide 1 decade ago [en]

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The problem I can see by giving neutrals q250 access/PR access or access to all towns is that there would be no incentive for other guilds to align since they can be just neutral and tp everywhere. Marauders did get their own tp system but they also can't enter any other town or use hawkers and so on, there is a big incentive not to choose them even with their tp system.
I know I'm talking abit against my first post in here but becoming a neutral with extra tp's should be made really difficult like the marauder rite so that ppl don't choose the easy option and all go neutral for easy tp access without doing fame runs.

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#10 Added by Tyneetryk 1 decade ago [en]

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I am certainly not suggesting that any option should be easy, whether truly neutral, factioned or marauder. When I say neutral, I guess I really mean having as high a fame level as can be obtained with all races and factions. This is the antithisis of what a marauder is intended to be and it is not the basic neutrality with which all homins are born.

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#11 Added by Jarnys 1 decade ago [en]

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Ulykus

What i think would be great: Allow civ factioned homins to tp to every town inside their nation.

Lets see...
Fyros : no change
Matis : 3 extra porters, all in q50 areas but a bit closer to the outer regions
Tryker : 3 extra porters, all in q50 areas one relatively close to Loria (already easy access via HH to the region so no big advantage)
Zorai: 3 extra porters, all in q50 region but close to the borders of q200 and q250 regions (no real advantage as normal porters inside the regions are available already)

So over all no real advantage except maybe that the other towns get a better population - and it would be (depending on selected civilization) only be 3 extra teleporters at all (in case of Fyros even none)

And the extra work in this case would consist of having to do the civilization rite.

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#12 Added by Meggy 1 decade ago [en]

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I am certainly not suggesting that it be easy. Again, we work just as hard to max our fame in all areas... And just as I choose to be neutral, there are many Homins that will still choose the Kara/Kami/Marauder lifestyle over being Neutral. But having the access to these areas will also not force some peaceful minded Homins to allign just for the tps. If this is not a possiblilty...I will continue to walk to PR and the 250 zones and be happy to do it, knowing I am choosing to do so for the sake of my beliefs as those alligned live thier life in Atys following thier heart. Was just a suggestion to encourage peace as an option :)

Thanks for listening <3

Meg~
Friend of all Homins, no matter thier race or religion.

#13 Added by Ulykus 1 decade ago [en]

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Sorry about ignoring your suggestion and suggesting something totally different instead.

Opening some truely neutral tp opportunities at very high fame is a good idea too. Like q50 tps being open to religion aligned homins AND homins with 45 civ fame and above.

Another idea, actually it's an old one, is to make some RP transportation methods:

Lakelands: Ferries! No doubt Trykers build ferries! High cost because of high stinga rum comsumption of the captain. You need to wait a minute (or anything longer than tp time) for the ferry to arrive and cost is impacted by civ fame.

Forest: They built roads... what for? Carriages of course. They are high cost too, not because they drink too much but because they don't want simple people to make the seats filthy.

Jungle: Hmmm.... Maybe they can meditate over magnetic instabilities and warp you to the other towns that way. Needs lots of weeds so it's expensive too. Hmm, maybe some Zorai got a better idea about that.

Edit: I'm not proposing the implementation of ferries or carriages as 3d objects. A simple NPC or clickable object will suffice.

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#14 Added by Jarnys 1 decade ago [en]

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Ulykus

Sorry about ignoring your suggestion and suggesting something totally different instead.

Opening some truely neutral tp opportunities at very high fame is a good idea too. Like q50 tps being open to religion aligned homins AND homins with 45 civ fame and above.

Another idea, actually it's an old one, is to make some RP transportation methods:

Lakelands: Ferries! No doubt Trykers build ferries! High cost because of high stinga rum comsumption of the captain. You need to wait a minute (or anything longer than tp time) for the ferry to arrive and cost is impacted by civ fame.

Forest: They built roads... what for? Carriages of course. They are high cost too, not because they drink too much but because they don't want simple people to make the seats filthy.

Jungle: Hmmm.... Maybe they can meditate over magnetic instabilities and warp you to the other towns that way. Needs lots of weeds so it's expensive too. Hmm, maybe some Zorai got a better idea about that.

Edit: I'm not proposing the implementation of ferries or carriages as 3d objects. A simple NPC or clickable object will suffice.

You forgot the Fyros caravans where you use valuable storage space ;-)

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#15 Added by Meagon 1 decade ago [en]

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At one point I had thought of becomming a full nuetral. The fact that I would never be able to teleport to the places I have come so accustumed to using put me off of that. I just could not give up my teleports. Perhaps if there had been a possibility to gain those teleports I would have worked for it.

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