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#1 Added by Alec(arispotle) 1 decade ago Report | Quote 

#2 Added by Gorran 1 decade ago Report | Quote 

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Alec

Hello! I want to change faction of my character (Karavan or Kami). I have a bad fame in faction which i want to enter (more than -60). Please, give some advice how to earn the fame and to change faction.

Tribal missions. Find a tribe of the faction you want to raise and start doing their missions, especially their ambassador missions.

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#3 Added by Alec(arispotle) 1 decade ago Report | Quote 

#4 Added by Daomei 1 decade ago Report | Quote 

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Alec

So, if i raise the fame of tribe which loyal to Karavan, my Kara fame will be raise too?
Sorry for bad english.

Yes it will though only slightly mainly raising tribe fame. But every Karavan aligned tribe has a Karavan ambassador who also gives missions. Those are Karavan fame missions no less than those at the Karavan porters.

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#5 Added by Fyrosfreddy 1 decade ago Report | Quote 

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-60 isn't that bad and the rate of rteurn on your actions should improve as it gets lower and lower. However, if you have say -97 to -100 you are in for an ordeal. Have 3 friends who returned to game after many years and tried to spike their interest by swithcing factions. After 3 weeks of effort, several hours per day, every day, with friends helping, they were barely able to budge fame doing aligned tribe faction missions. All 3 got frustarted and quit.

All got that hi negative fame helping guildies groing faction fame killing aligned tribes. So if ya wanna leave that option opoen, would suggest that ya be careful getting - fame much above -50 and certainly no wher enear 90's.

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#6 Added by Marelli(arispotle) 1 decade ago Report | Quote 

#7 Added by Fyrosfreddy 1 decade ago Report | Quote 

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Gotta read all the words in all of the sentences.

They were trying to reduce negative kami fame, not increase kara fame..... How do you decrease kami negavtive fame by doing kara welcomer missions ? Wouldn't one want to do kami missions to get rid off kami negative fame ? But how do you get near kami when you have -100 kami fame ????

What they were doing was at specific direction of Mokoi BTW, after resetting each toon, was helping us during the whole time.

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#8 Added by Marelli(arispotle) 1 decade ago Report | Quote 

#9 Added by Fyrosfreddy 1 decade ago Report | Quote 

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Seems your the only one who knows the secret cause CSR team doesn't. I was just helping, the player were taking direction from CSR team.

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#10 Added by Gorran 1 decade ago Report | Quote 

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Fyrosfreddy

Seems your the only one who knows the secret cause CSR team doesn't. I was just helping, the player were taking direction from CSR team.

Sure enough, 100 Kami fame and -52 Karavan. Went to Yrkanis and was able to take the Karavan Welcomer missions no problem. I had no idea. Of course, I immediately abandoned it. :D

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#11 Added by Fyrosfreddy 1 decade ago Report | Quote 

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Gor:

I got involved at the tail end.....they were at it for quite some time and tried various methods ...... tried advancing fame w/ welcomers, tried renouncing positive fame...... after all those failed to make significant dent on the -100 ..... At that point in time, I was asked for advice.... I had nothing to offer as I haven't touched faction fame since 2004. You were -52.....I imagine it might be a bit different at -100 but again, I came in only after those routes were already tried.

i suggested they ask CSR team..... CSR team suggested the route and, as that's slow, when I was asked to assist, was only too glad to try and help an old friend stay in game. The devs implemented very easy ways to reduce positive fame (renouncing). I filed a ticket suggesting that same be done for - fame since they were going nowhere. But the response I got was that such wasn't likely to happen and they best thing they could do was follow the direction given by the CSR team and kill NPC's.

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#12 Added by Jola 1 decade ago Report | Quote 

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Fyrosfreddy

...they were at it for quite some time and tried various methods ... all those failed to make significant dent on the -100...

This makes sense given the game's fame mechanics. Lacking an intimate knowledge of fame mechanics, these folks would have a hard time discovering the best course of action because nothing will produce an observable increase in extreme fames without many repeated attempts. There are two reasons for this:

1) Increasing fame is about 26x slower at the extreme ends (-100 or +100) of the fame range than at the center (0 fame).

2) Any of the methods they tried other than bandit kill (very grateful) teleport Welcomer missions would not do much to cult fame. And even focusing on just these strongest missions would still require about 15 missions to raise fame from -100 to -99.

P.S. If you want a real challenge sometime, try raising a tribal fame from -100. I am currently working on one that has only 1 mission giver that will talk to me, that mission giver has no very grateful missions for me and he wanders about through the Grove of Confusion maze. :p

Jola(Arispotle) of the ARMAGEDDONS

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#13 Added by Fyrosfreddy 1 decade ago Report | Quote 

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I wasn't there every day, I know at least one of em did nothing else for 3 weeks.....a GM reset dropped a point but neve rgot past 98. Interesting bit about the 26X thing, I admnire ya patience in figuring that out.....I kinda remember averaging 1 point every 4 missions doing the 33 thru 60 run.

I did renouce citizenship again and raised my civ fame just by doing tryker corporal missions ....took literally hours t go from 24 to 50. From 24 - 42 took just one round of missions which seems way way to easy.

Renouncing or joining a civ caps + race fame but (I assume) doesn't cap negative..... If I gad renounced Fyros citizenship w/ fame = 100, I'd drop to 50. Seems to me there should be something similar to drop - fame also. For example, ya would think simply renouncing say kara improve ya standing in kami's eyes and visa versa ?

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#14 Added by Stitch(arispotle) 1 decade ago Report | Quote 

#15 Added by Fyrosfreddy 1 decade ago Report | Quote 

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Why ? When I renounced my Fyros citizenship 3 days ago, did I become anti-fyros ? No, my fame was just capped at 50. Why is this any different ?

If it's OK under the current system to bring fame down from 100 to 50 simply by "renouncing", why not down from -100 to -50 ? Why is the positive side different from the negative side. They put in a whole system to easily reduce positive fame (1 point for each time ya renounce), where's the corresponding mechanism for negative fame ?

They wouldn't even have to go that far ..... just get it down far enough that if ya spend an entire day working fame, ya mite see a point or two change.

When you "go kami", your kara fame automatically goes from whatever to -50. So when ya renouce kami, why doesn't at least part of that disappear ?

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