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#75 Added by Yakapo 1 decade ago [en] 

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All of this because we defended our OPs.....Sad You guys wiped us in 2 mins to start it off then you fell apart. The real definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome. You guys might want to find a new war leader.

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#76 Added by Beeficus 1 decade ago [en] 

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Liliang
One of the two parts of my statement is still true. They've made TI better, and FYI they all have wonderful idea's and strategies so i thank you to not speak of them unkindly, we don't take well to that sort of thing. :)

Im not speaking unkindly of anyone, just stating the truth. They left because of personal reasons that had nothing to do with strategy, coordination or being ignored.

Garuth, your post is completely false. The issue is not the amount of players, and that is not the basis for the accusations.

Stitch, you are simply trolling. We do not wish to see TI banned, we want the abuse of alts and 3rd party software to stop. We want to see something done about it. People controlling up to 8 characters at once are the ONLY reason you are able to win every OP, and it seems like the problem is getting worse while the CSR team refuses to respond to the issue. Call us whiners all you like but we will not keep quiet about it anymore.

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#77 Added by Garuth(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en] 

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so you are saying that even though you had more toons there, we had too many and must be cheating to do it.

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#78 Added by Orlaf(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en] 

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hi, im the ex-tpm member, how are you? Raging? I see.. Well sir, you're wrong, i left cause of the uncordination between the guilds, which was one of the many reasons why i disapprove of karas. Ima go back to looking for bawses, but i think we killed em already.

#79 Added by Stitch(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en] 

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Beeficus
Stitch, you are simply trolling. We do not wish to see TI banned, we want the abuse of alts and 3rd party software to stop. We want to see something done about it. People controlling up to 8 characters at once are the ONLY reason you are able to win every OP, and it seems like the problem is getting worse while the CSR team refuses to respond to the issue. Call us whiners all you like but we will not keep quiet about it anymore.

Sorry mate but you're the only troll here. Accusing people of cheating without any proof. And no one is controlling 8 toons. Amnesia already pointed this out. Simply repeating the same tired crap over and over doesn't make it true.

#80 Added by Beeficus 1 decade ago [en] 

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Orlaf
hi, im the ex-tpm member, how are you? Raging? I see.. Well sir, you're wrong, i left cause of the uncordination between the guilds, which was one of the many reasons why i disapprove of karas. Ima go back to looking for bawses, but i think we killed em already.

Nope, not raging. Responding to a thread that points out an issue that affects the entire server. Each of my posts has been calm. Your reasons for converting to Kami were personal reasons about your perception of karavans response to you personally. That is what you stated.

Garuth, repeating yourself doesnt change anything we have said. There are people in TI cheating and the problem is getting worse the longer nothing is done about it. We want it to stop. We want this issue settled, either thru CSR's action or a statement that there wont ever be any. Simply pretending its not an issue is not going to cut it.

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#81 Added by Garla(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en] 

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but that is what you are saying no matter how you try to rationalize it. you had more and still lost, therefore we must be cheating.

if we had had more because of people bringing alts your argument would hold more weight I think, but as it is it does not.

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#82 Added by Aeralin 1 decade ago [en] 

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I didn't bother to read back thru every post here, as it's mostly the same whining and complaining it's always been.
If you have proof that 3rd party software has been used, then do the proper thing and submit tickets to the CSRs, who btw happen to take this kind of thing seriously after the mass exodus of players 7 months ago over this very same topic.
Suggesting blocking the use of multiple characters from the same IP address should not be done, and for a simple reason. I used to play with my husband. Our toons are both logged in from the same IP address, for a time, we were completely separate players. When I ran IF, I had a husband and wife team who played as well, and there have been more such duos throughout the history of Atys. I even had a parent and child, who's wife logged in from time to time. Stating that we should block multiple toons from one IP prevents this very thing. Would you suggest that a family or couple can't enjoy Ryzom together?
The CSR's clearly stated their position on Third Party Software 7 months ago, and have cracked down on it's use. They followed and harassed several players I know under suspicion of using said software and could prove nothing. Also, CSR's will never attend an OP war, as they are faction vs faction, which the CSR team can have no part of.
This entire argument is moot! It's already been discussed and answered. If you can prove it, ticket the players you see using said software. If you can't prove it, keep your trap shut and accept that you win some and you lose some.

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#83 Added by Beeficus 1 decade ago [en] 

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It has been screenshotted, frapsed, ticketed and ignored. The reason it has now reached the point of being splashed on the forum is because we want answers. A mass exodus is exactly what is coming if we dont get them. We are losing players rapidly because there is abuse of 3rd party software that is obvious to those of us trying to fight against it and a perception that the CSR team is unwilling or unable to stop it.

I will speak out loudly and I will not back down because I am willing to take the flaming, trolling and counter-accusations. I dont care what you say about me. I dont care what you threaten me with. I really dont care about anything but getting the answers that will stop more players from leaving.

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#84 Added by Orlaf(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en] 

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Beeficus
Nope, not raging. Responding to a thread that points out an issue that affects the entire server. Each of my posts has been calm. Your reasons for converting to Kami were personal reasons about your perception of karavans response to you personally. That is what you stated.

What i said was, i was pissed off about AA talking about me behind my back and not confronting me about it, and i also said i hated the fact that kara guilds were so closed in.(which meant that if kara guilds aren't talking to each other, they are not coordinanted fyi) What i mean by that was, AA was sick of sharing Boss mats with me so they outcasted me, even though i was finding them. Only guild that would do them with me was GoJ.

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You can't even kill the igaras in pei, so coordination comes into the play again, how do you expect to kill TI if you can't coordinate? Stop whining about something when you're doing it yourself, yes i've seen you run 4 alts with you.

#85 Added by Orlaf(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en] 

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Beeficus
We are losing players rapidly because there is abuse of 3rd party software

You mean atiara left because of 3rd party software? I thought he was butthurt about us killing his packers at the op war.

#86 Added by Aeralin 1 decade ago [en] 

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Beeficus
It has been screenshotted, frapsed, ticketed and ignored. The reason it has now reached the point of being splashed on the forum is because we want answers. A mass exodus is exactly what is coming if we dont get them. We are losing players rapidly because there is abuse of 3rd party software that is obvious to those of us trying to fight against it and a perception that the CSR team is unwilling or unable to stop it.

The CSR team have no responded because the use of Third Party Software cannot be proven. The possibility of players have a huge gaming setup, with several computers controlled by the same player makes it so.
So, submit as you may with screenshots and Fraps'd vids, but until you have conclusive proof, such as a player admitting to the use of the software, no one will be banned based upon your tickets.

Answers were given 7 months ago. The same answers still apply now. If the CSR's felt there was an issue, they would be responding to your tickets. Shaking your fists in the air and spewing poison all over the forums will get you nowhere but the same place you've been all along.

#87 Added by Stitch(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en] 

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Beeficus
It has been screenshotted, frapsed, ticketed and ignored. The reason it has now reached the point of being splashed on the forum is because we want answers. A mass exodus is exactly what is coming if we dont get them. We are losing players rapidly because there is abuse of 3rd party software that is obvious to those of us trying to fight against it and a perception that the CSR team is unwilling or unable to stop it.

I will speak out loudly and I will not back down because I am willing to take the flaming, trolling and counter-accusations. I dont care what you say about me. I dont care what you threaten me with. I really dont care about anything but getting the answers that will stop more players from leaving.


proof or gtfo.

#88 Added by Gilgameesh 1 decade ago [en] 

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OMG, can't believe this subject is back one year later the last forum battle.

And there is still someone that wanna claim the use of automated bots is not cheating.
And this reminds me of people trying to use the WoW CoC to justify the break of rules in Ryzom.
ROFLMAO.

The solution is simple: don't play with the loosers.

This is the reason why i stopped doing pvp long time ago.

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#89 Added by Garla(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en] 

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*shrug* if you want to get rid of multi clienting just get rid of the follow command, but I doubt they want to lose that much revenue from all the people who pay two accounts. Thinking about it they should encourage it actually, and so should we. the more subbed accounts the more money they get to pay coders and artists to come up with fun things.
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