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You see. You are stating a claim, and want CSR to take action. Now if they take action they might ban all the accounts that are Claimed to be controlled by 3rd party software. I'm defending myself here because i too was accused on several accounts that i too was controlled by such, and i do not want to be banned. Do you see my point in argueing against this whole thing?

You 1-2 players may say that " Yes we know you are no bot" etc, but those who accused me will not and if action will be taken i too can get banned. So i argue my point till it is clear that there is a way to play and it may seem like botting but in fact it's being lazy and using macros.

The other solution i can recomend and that would ultimately eliminate the possibility of botting in such a way or definatly would make it a lot more difficult is by removing macros from game. No macros no Alts, no botting.

All of these characters are being used as alts. Amnesia your assist macro explanation has one serious flaw.

That macro will only perform one action repeatedly. It cannot switch between bomb healing, ressing, and nuking depending on what yakapo is doing at any given time.

3rd party software is being used. There is no basis for reasonable doubt. You are providing explanations that are extremely unlikely at the very best. Your refusal to admit even the possibilty that investigation is needed is not based on a lack of evidence or reasonable doubt. Either you know rules are being broken and you refuse to admit it or you are completely closed to the possibility.

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I never said i have only 1 Macro.

A Follow macro hit second time will make you stop. hit a second key to do the target of target spell cast macro. another key to heal hp/sap or hp/hp or hp/stam. i can assign upto 9 such macros to the keypad keys and hit them with ease when needed while watching a movie. I done it and i know it can be done. That don't mean that i shared my log in info or that i'm botting.

No, Amnesia, the use of macros by several players does not explain what we have seen. At best if it is true it would absolve 2 or 3 of the people following and healing and nuking in unison but the characters admitted to be alts of Nitrouss and Yakapo are still working in unison, which is impossible without 4 or 5 computers and 4 or 5 hands to press the keys repeatedly.

Your explanations cannot explain how they are doing this. The best you can say is the ludicrous claim that TI have 20 or more people willing to log into alts and follow specific players around using macros rather than fighting for themselves on their own characters and moving independantly.

You are just arguing with us because of your own personal bias and if you were honest with yourself you know that there is a real need for investigation here. Offering increasingly unlikely explanations of how they might only look like they are cheating but really are not is just silly. If you cant admit that we have a valid claim please stop posting.

Maybe you should read what i say more carefully. So far i been stating of what I do, not what Yaka does. I never once said that he isn't cheating. I was pointing out what I do and that Others might do it too and IT CAN be interpreted as Botting. Being accused of being Yakas ALT is no fun. It's like i would start posting that you might be someone's alt and so both be banned. See where i come from? I'm defending myself!

Noone in this post is attacking you or accusing you of anything. You have no need to defend yourself, you have been repeatedly disputing our claims that there is cheating going on, and our justification in asking for CSR's to investigate and act.

devs should look through keystrokes and post the findings to settle this kinda boring now :)

wondering at what point it became your job to do such? where as we have had plenty of people come in neutral to soak up our heal pods and drag aggro onto them. saturday, yall had the numbers, we had the coordination, that's it

I guess it's ok when Beeficus uses 3rd party software and all of Soloreapers' alts to bot dig but no one else is allowed to eh? See its easy to make claims but without proof you just look like a tool.

This kind of complaint is unavoidable in pvp games i suppose, I have played many.

but since we are all here to have fun why not just say "good job, get you next time" and go on and figure out how? yall won one a couple weeks ago and there were no forum posts complainig about how you were "cheating" and such. I like the people i fight, they let me have fun fighting them, would buy yall a beer if I could, but complaining about alts when yall had superior numbers? complainiing about account sharing when there were characters there on kara side when there were characters there who are KNOWN to have quit Ryzom? coem on guys, just have fun :)

nevermind.

Everyone keeps stating that third party software is banned by the Code of Conduct and yet I do not find such language anywhere in the CoC. I also do not find anything about the control of multiple characters manually or with software assistance anywhere.

I can only find two sections labelled 10 and 12:
10. LATER VERSIONS' IMPROVEMENTS OF OUR MMORPG
12. SCENARIO CREATION AND ANIMATION IN OUR MMORPG (RYZOM RING)

These don't address the issue and are likely not what Ganix is referencing. The Naming Policy has 13 items but clearly cannot be what is being referenced either. The only other possibility that I can see is the Code of Conduct section.


Jamming a button on two keyboards in no way changes the transmissions to or from the servers. The same would be true of software that allows remote control of multiple computers.


None of what you are describing can considered a bug exploit. Is it a bug that multiple people can login from the same IP? I sure hope not as I'm the father in a family of six and all but my wife plays. We often are online and play at the same time.

Is it a bug that one person can control multiple accounts at the same time? There's a Ryzom program switch specifically for that! /multi If the game executable has a command-line switch specifically for dual boxing then it also cannot be considered a bug. There are even directions for running multiple clients on one computer in the old official (which are, if I am not mistaken, still considered official but just old) forums.

Other MMORPGs encourage their players to use multiple toons, why? Others have already stated that it generates more revenue and what else is a company in business for? What about those players who A) love Ryzom but don't care for the social interaction of a live team or B) Are on an international server (Aristople) but cannot be online when anyone else is online?

Finally, there is a distinction between an Alt and a Bot. An Alt is one of multiple characters in direct control of one player. In other words, the character acts directly because of the player's physical action. Ryzom allows Alts, as proved by the /multi program switch.

A Bot is a character which automatically, no action required on the part of the player, responds to the game environment. Other MMORPGs allow and support Bots, characters scripted to automatically respond to the game environment. Ryzom does not allow nor support Bots.

I know of a player who found a way to Bot dig (Bots are actually quite hard to create in Ryzom due to the nature of the macro system). That player was given a temp ban. Yakapo (player is a co-worker of mine) has found characters at respawn points mindlessly throwing nodes, evidence of unattended Bot digging. He has warned such players of the consequences.

Both Yakapo and I were HOs of DCP under Final. We both learned how to organize teams then and how to make the most of the macro system. I can press a single key faster than once per second, anyone can, and if that key is mapped to a macro that targets my team spotter's target (Target an entity's target) and then runs shortcut #3 twice, I will hit my team spotter's target with magic sometimes before my spotter does. The spotter has to select a target and then press/click the spell/attack but I only have to spam my macro key. By the time the spotter begins his attack, I am already casting. I watched DCP melt NPCs using this technique. I can do this and have only a little over 60 days in game. Yakapo has over a year in play. He's had plenty of time to refine working as a team and also running a dual box.

During the OP wars yesterday, I had six members of GoZ on follow, guild chat was a flutter with how exciting the wars were both when we were wiped and when we wiped the attackers. Guild members who didn't have the required TPs were chomping at the bit. When I looked back, I had a mass of homins trailing me both in and out of team. Not one of them were bots. If we were a nuke pod, I'm sure my name would be listed with Yakapo and Nitrouss but we were not a nuke pod, we were a nuke/heal pod.

On a final note, everyone says that the CSRs have never investigated your claims. That is incorrect, although you may not know it. I know for a fact, remember that Yakapo's player is my co-worker, that CSRs (not just one) have investigated Yakapo and challenged him directly on these claims in the past. He remains in game.

1. Exploiting:
Using a third-party program or taking advantage of a bug in the game in order to gain an advantage over other players, or profiting from anything that is not provided by the game or the game mechanics either for personal or other use, is considered a exploit. Upon finding an exploit, you can contact us via the means described above. Note that this rule is a direct consequence of the CoC and so any breaches will be dealt with severely.

Taken from Arispotle's Ingame Guidelines

And Gorran, yes we noticed your nice healpod of GoZ, but no one would claim them to be alts using 3rd party software because they had the ability to move individually and speak.